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What do you keep living for? Is there a specific person, goal, or idea that you work for? Is there no meaning to life in your opinion?

Context: I've been reading Camus and Sartre, and thinking about how their ideas interact with hard determinism.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I'm religious so that's pretty much figured out for me lol

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago
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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago

Meaning must be generated, not found.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I think “What is the meaning of (my) life?” is not a question that we should be focusing on. It assumes that there is meaning to life. Neither is saying “Life is meaningless,” as it assumes exactly that. Both approaches presupposes an answer.

I'd rather think about "What can I do today/tomorrow/this week/this year/in this life?" That is a lot more digestible than chasing a meaning, or dismissing what could be meaningful about my actions.

I'm already here, so.... What is it under my control that I can do something about? What can I do about it? Something along those lines.


PS:

The overall tone of my response might be nihilist, or having shades of stoicism, but I am personally biased towards Epicureanism (not the present-day meaning, but the more classical meaning) which gives emphasis to ataraxia, or put very loosely, that state of contentedness. It's not about avoiding pain and preferring (temporary) pleasure, but rather a more stable state absent of pain and having pleasure that is brought about by mindful actions. I am not exactly learned in this so please take my words with a pinch of salt (or several).

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

I live to be a good person. Figuring out what that means is a lot of reading, reasoning, and experimentation. I'm not sure you even need to justify wanting to be a good person, but maybe it is good to do good.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago

Logically I am a determinist and a nihilist. It's the only thing that makes sense to me.

But I can't live life like that. Life is lived through feelings and it feels like I have free will. So I feel meaning by contributing positively and that my choices in life matter.

So, I contribute, try to do good, be helpful and nice to people, and also fulfill some hedonistic desires such as good food, lovemaking, shows, etc.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

Life is for two things. 1. Experience 2. Love.

I think I won at life.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I want to see my planted apple tree bear fruit for the first time (it's looking good this year so far!), and then I want to try splicing in a branch of my neighbours cherry tree, and then I want to keep building gradually to have a mutant tree with all kinds of fruit throughout the season. I'll be the creator of my own Tree of Life.

Small goals, small joys, small triumphs - it's what'll make my life grand, I believe.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

There is none. You get used to it.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I have so many goals man. I wanna travel the world, meat new people, stay in one of those hostels or that website where you can work to stay. I wanna scuba dive, rock climb, surf, run marathons, hikes and all sorts of stuff before I get too old to do anything fun.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

meat new people

Found the 65 year old planning a trip to SEA

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

Ive been lucky to have discovered Stoicism early in life and that what has been driving me for decades now!

To put it shortly Stoicism focuses on self growth with things like identifying natural human virtues (need for knowledge, justice, temperance, courage) and focusing life around improving those. This is expressed through a princicle called dichotomy of control which says that there are things that are out of our control like death that we shouldn't focus on and things that are like natural virtues that are something we can do to improve upon.

It also deconstructed and included all of the cool contemporary ideas like mindfulness and being cosmopolitan two millenia ago so its a really great suite of natural philosophies that survived the test of time.

Stoicism is also low key Idealist as in your natural perception of your own virtues and state is the only real thing that matters which is what makes this ideology so much more freeing. You don't judge yourself against some mystical ideal but to your own perception of purpose and growth.

It's an easy, frictionless and a highly rewarding way to live :)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's interesting, I think I've tried engaging with Stoicism before, but it feels to me that it kind of ignores how sometimes the romantic should take control? I can't remember which Stoicist (Epictetus I think?) said that we should be so detached that the death of a child should feel like a glass breaking, but I don't think I would be able to rationalise and internalise that personally. Do you think there's space for strong feelings in Stoicism?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That's a common misunderstanding and Stoicism is not about detachment. The quote you're referring is mostly a thought exercise to illustrate that dwelling on past is unproductive even in extreme circumstances.

Though contemporary Stoicism acknowledges importance of ritual and grief but it still has to be within reasonable context of dichotomy of control as in you can't change the outcome no matter how hard you grief and you're just losing finite minutes of your life but you can spend this time to fairly honor the event and memories.

Temperance is a key virtue here and its heavily inspired by Aristotel's Golden Mean which says that extremes are really inefficient and should be avoided at all times.

As for strong feelings - Stoicism has nothing against them either. Justice is one of the virtues and its really impossible to get to a just conclusion without strong feelings like sympathy. Though, just like Buddhism, Stoics practice mindfulness and have to choose to go to strong feelings not obey. This is again due to dichotomy of control where thoughts and feelings just appear and we can't do anything here to stop that but we can choose how we react once we process them!

Stoicism is a very powerful framework cause it doesn't really tell you what to do exactly just gives you a logical framework based on human nature. It doesn't mean you becoming a robot - quite the opposite - you should become more human not being hijacked by unfair processes.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

Wow, really interesting, thank you!

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