What follows is a list of missteps Mozilla made since its inception. LibreWolf ftw. I hope Google has to divest of Chrome and forced to stop signing search deals to make them the default search engine on a browser. Can't happen soon enough.
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I believe you're thinking of a ToS change where the wording was incredibly vague, leading to some outlets to claim they were selling browsing data to 3rd parties and AI modelers. They changed it right after to specify that the data they were using wasn't browsing data, and the data they did gather wouldn't be used for AI. They are not as invasive as google, but you're subject to Google on Firefox because of the ubiquity of their telemetry and search optimizations across websites. Firefox with an add-on such as noscript is much better than Chrome still, in my opinion. At the very least, it's nice to have a browser that doesn't work to undermine its own add-on functionalities.
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Um Sir, this is a Lemmy
I use IronFox because firefox decided to support bad practices. Kinda like google removing "don't be evil".
Who is this "we" you talk of?
A: Not all of us did.
2: It sucked for a while, performance went down the toilet till they rewrote the engine in quantum.
Honestly threading was horrible for a decade there, while chrome had multi-processes running solid, even extensions didn't kill it, even if it burned 500gb ram to browse bash.org.
Experiments were bad too, but you could shut those off.
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The thing is, I never have. Chrome is absolute hot garbage and spyware, all the Chromium forks are all flawed and bugged and still feed into Google's dominance because of engine and stupid Manifest bullshit. Firefox, despite all the stupid things Mozilla did and still does just works the best and is not Chromium.
Can you elaborate on the manifest bullshit thing?
Here, this should help. tl;dr: Google updated how Chrome security works and it broke apps like every adblocker at the time.
Understood, that's something to be expected by Google, but complete shit.
However, adblockers still work these days - see Vivaldi, so they found a workaround?
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It didn't break adblockers "at the time". It broke them intentionally. That was by design. Google is an advertising company dabbling in other areas. They don't want a browser that can properly block their primary revenue.
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New Chromium framework for browser extensions that severely limits their functionality. It neuters adlockers.
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There was some uproar when they essentially de-committed to supporting MDN/developer tools in 2020
...we are reducing investment in some areas such as developer tools, internal tooling, and platform feature development, and transitioning adjacent security/privacy products to our New Products and Operations team...
It was too noisy. My wife and I used to live in a small apartment. I'd leave my Linux box on all the time. Running Firefox, it'd periodically spin up the fan, which was loud enough to annoy my wife at night, and me during the day. Chrome didn't spin up the fan. I switched and we stopped hearing my noisy computer.
This was a while ago. I can't remember if it was Firefox or Mozilla at that point.
Probably
I didn't though, because the alternative would either be very small browsers with no or very limited addon support, or FF forks. And until now, everything Mozilla added was either opt-in or very easy opt-out. So hopping wouldn't change much for me, except that there's no LibreWolf nightly, and I doubt that self-compiled addons work there consistently.
I never fully did, but I did end up using Chromium more than I wanted to:
- Some poorly written sites refuse to work with FF. My water company, for example. They eventually fixed it after I complained multiple times. Now they display a warning that it's "Optimized for Chrome" but no longer flat out prevent FF from logging in (you know, to pay bills and such).
- FF Desktop still doesn't support PWAs, and their recent update says they're working on it, but they're half-assing it (installed web apps will still have the menu bars, address, bar etc). I self-host a lot of web applications and want them to appear like native apps. Hence, Chromium.
- There was some recent ToS / Privacy Policy change, and everyone was knee-jerking "time to abandon Firefox" as if there's anywhere better to go. (This is probably what you're thinking of)
- A good while back, Chrom(ium) was just flat-out faster. That's been a while, and I think when FF's "Quantum" update (or whatever it was called) came out in like 2016 or 2017, it put it back on par.
A good while back, Chrom(ium) was just flat-out faster
Performance was huge.
I was willing to put up with a little jank from my browser because I wanted a diverse browser ecosystem, but Chrome felt much, much now performant. After I switched to Chrome, browsing felt noticably better.
A good while back, Chrome was superior. Faster yes, but also more polished and intuitive as browsers go.
Also, Google was "Do no Evil", and Firefox was good, but not great.
Today, Firefox is still good, and Google is evil.
Times definitely have changed.
Also, Google was "Do no Evil"
At the time Google seemed awesome. Gmail was a game changer - a usable webapp that was better than maybe clients.
Firefox was good, but not great.
Firefox was the best of a bad bunch. It was so easy for devs to move to Chrome because the experience on every other browser was bad.
#2 for me. The PWAs for Firefox extension broke one too many times so I gave up.
Good news - Firefox is actively developing built-in PWA functionality right now. There's a discussion thread I'll link you to when I find it.
EDIT - here you go, this also has links to further discussions: https://connect.mozilla.org/t5/discussions/how-can-firefox-create-the-best-support-for-web-apps-on-the/m-p/60561#U60561
There's already a VERY early version in FF Nightly, but tbh it doesn't yet really do anything you'd expect of a PWA.
Info on that: https://connect.mozilla.org/t5/discussions/how-can-firefox-create-the-best-support-for-web-apps-on-the/m-p/60561#U60561
Changing to opt-out telemetry from opt-in is the one I remember people fussing over
No, chrome came out and was that much better than every other browser at first.
Is it though?
When Chrome initially came out? Not even close. Firefox was a bloated piece of crap, Chrome was slim and didn't have all the bullshit that every other browser had.
Obviously, things have changed a little...
I think OP is mostly focusing on why people switched off of FF. Present behaviour isn't super relevant to the conversation.
It was. It was crazy fast and lightweight at the time.
It gained massive market share.
It became the default development target for websites.
Other browsers started getting left behind.
Each step syphons users from other browsers, compounding issues.
The dev tools in Chrome were a revelation. I think Firefox had something similar (Firebug?) but the Chrome tools seemed better.
Was
Operative word.