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Sen. Chris Van Hollen (D-Md.) traveled to El Salvador to seek the return of Kilmar Abrego Garcia, a Maryland resident wrongfully deported in March.

Abrego Garcia, married to a U.S. citizen with three children, was legally allowed to stay under a 2019 court order.

The Trump administration admitted his deportation was an “administrative error” but refused his return. The Supreme Court ruled against the administration 9-0.

In response, the White House launched a smear campaign against Van Hollen, framing Garcia as a gang member despite no charges or convictions.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

A court has demanded the Trump admin return this man, and their defense has been that they don't have the power to do it. Now they publicly criticize a Senator for trying to get the man returned.

They really are stupid when it comes to undermining their own case, aren't they?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 months ago (3 children)

SCOTUS didn't order his return. The ruling was that this is a foreign policy matter at this point and the executive branch has foreign policy power, not the court. SCOTUS rule that the Trump administration has to facilitate his return. Trump is willing to facilitate his return, but El Salvador said no, and that is the end of discussion for this matter.

Anyway, it would be ridiculously weird for El Salvador to send their own citizen to the US who initiated came to the US illegally.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'm amazed at how confidently wrong you are. Did you bother to read any of this yourself?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yes, I read the ruling. Would you like to elaborate on what you disagree with me about?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The ruling says that any prisoners sent to El Salvador are still under US jurisdiction.

Go and read it this time.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

This is not even a point of dispute. If El Salvador won't return their own citizen, then it is what it is.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Do you think he's gonna reward you if you lick his boots hard enough?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 months ago

I was just stating the facts.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The whole reason you put concentration camps in a foreign nation is to remove them from SCOTUS jurisdiction. Then you get to sit back and say, "We can't compel a sovereign state," while the sovereign state gets to sit back and say, "We'd gladly return these people, if only POTUS would ask." Just one capo doing a favor for a fellow capo, somehow neither one of them able to do the right thing.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 months ago (2 children)

It was an administrative error. There is a valid deportation order for that man. There is also a withholding order which only applies to El Salvador. The only mistake in the deportation was the destination.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

ICE already admitted the man was deported in error. So why are you making up stuff? These facts are easy to check, I can only assume you're either a troll or a foreign agitator.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The Trump administration already admitted this was an administrative error. I said that as well. Perhaps you should re-read what I wrote.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

There is no deportation order for him you buffoon otherwise ICE wouldn't have confirmed he was deported in error. Do you think the admin error was thinking there was an error? How do you make those leaps in logic?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 months ago

First, someone cannot be granted withholding of removal without having an order of removal. The immigration judge must first determine that the person is removable, and then the person can apply for withholding.

Second, the withholding of removal is limited to El Salvador, which means he can be deported to other countries.

As such, the error is the destination only

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Do you have some sources for this? There's so much emotional baggage with this its hard to get to the facts.

In my mind saying the only mistake is the destination Is an incredible understatement.
"The only issue with your heart transplant is we had a paperwork mixup and replaced your liver instead."

"I know you came in for just a vehicle safety inspection but our mechanics messed up and replaced your engine, here's the bill."

"We had a mix up at the hospital and the child you've raised for 3 years isn't actually yours. Our bad, but there's nothing we can do to fix it and there's nothing we're going to do to prevent it in the future. Good luck!"

Don't downplay this shit and fall into dehumanizing others because they must have done something to deserve the position they are in. Don't lose sight of empathy. Try pretending it's a loved of yours. If one of mine fucked up and deserve punishment then fine, but there better be a fair trial and they deserve their chance to prove their innocence.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

There is a valid and effective deportation order. For deportation purpose, there was no need to prove him guilty at the criminal court. If he was deported to another country, this would be completely in compliance.

You need to provide me exactly what you disagree with. Doesn't make sense for me to provide you sources for every fact in this matter.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

They've admitted there was an error, and are not being transparent in the extent of the error nor are they trying to correct the error. I dispute every fact in this matter because the main source I believe you are using are the people at fault for it. They aren't even doing the common curtsey of an "internal investigation" reach around that typical police do after they've fuck us.

It doesn't make sense that you wouldn't throw out a couple random sources to your claims since it's cut and dry in your mind. Show me the valid deportation order. Show me the evidence they used to forgo immigration court (why the fuck would he be in criminal court?) to have an expidited removal to a place a previous court said he could not go.

It's easy to prove us stupid ass sheeple wrong, fucking do it...

[–] [email protected] -2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I suppose you don't have any direct evidence to support your argument either.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] -2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

No way I would address everything in here. You would need to bring up a few specific points and not pages of documents.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You deflected after I brought up a few specific points insinuating I have no direct evidence. I call your bluff with some direct evidence and now we are back to you need specific points.

Please consider the possibility you are being lied to. It takes way more time then us Americans have to look for primary sources and form our own opinions. Guess what though, we once again need to do the impossible and pull ourselves up by our bootstraps. We need to look at the facts from the primary sources ourselves and draw our own conclusions. Any fuckwit with a microphone can claim they read the documents and spew whatever bullshit they want without reproduction. Shit is changing fast, you cannot deny that. We best be fucking sure we are not heading in a direction that leads to the loss of rights for us in the bottom 99.watever %

[–] [email protected] -2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

You have not even brought up specific points that you disputed about the matter.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Lmafo. Okay bud..