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[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (23 children)

And stil the state refuses to ban them, refuses to arrest and sentence their leaders.

It will be Weimar 2.0 with liberals being either too incompetent or too unwilling to stop fascism.

Fascism is not stopped at the podium or in parliament. It is stopped with bullets and bombs. The longer you wait the more bullets and bombs it will take and the more lives it will cost. We need a new, this time thorough, denazification.

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 day ago (1 children)

AfD is using fascist manipulation using propaganda (always putting immigrants and immigrant attacks in the spotlight) to gain power and discriminate immigrants even more, causing more retaliation which in turn makes people give the AfD even more power.

In a tolerant society we should not be tolerant of such intolerance.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Germany should have actually denazified instead of the joke they did. Also should have reunited the two germanys instead of what happened which was basically a west German conquest of east Germany contributing greatly to its impoverershment.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Someone explain, are these the Nazis?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

Anything from national conservatives to common reactionaries, VΓΆlkische and neo-nazis and neo-fascists.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 day ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Many of those aren't real votes but "protest" support. Very dumb imo. They're hoping its a wakeup to the other parties but it really just emboldens the afd.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Nah I don't buy it. Nazis voting for nazis know what they are doing. AfDs plan is clear, like project 2025 was and their voters like what they see and should be treated and handled accordingly.

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[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Are they dumber than the parties that didn't get the message?

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 day ago

Please look at the US and what's happening here right now.

A significant portion of Trump's voters in 2016 were protest anti-establishment voters and they've been converted into full on Fascist voters in the 8 years since then.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What does Bundesreg under Green and SPD mean? Or asked differently... Why doesn't FDP have that text?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago

Right know Scholz is still chancellor and the old government still in office. This only changes when Merz is voted into office and the new government formed. FDP is not part of the government anymore since the old coalition failed.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Everybody in Germany. Please talk to family members that you don't talk to about how this is dangerous to you. I know I have these in my family that I should invest in instead of always talking to the closest ones. Also make sure to beat them with genuine questions that break open their confidence in the reasoning with the socratic way (epistemology)

  1. What? Belief.
  2. Why? Reason
  3. How? Method for Proof

Or

  1. Identify Persuasion
  2. Question "What is it actually", definition --In between ask for scale 1-10 how confident into the topic are you and importance queries
  3. Why do you believe that?
  4. How could one determine whether this is really true? --In between the scale and importance queries
  5. Best argument for and strongest argument against?
  6. Reflect, i.e. repeat what has been said in your own words eighthly

It's not about being well versed in the topic of conversation But good questions

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Totally. Good one is showing genuinely curiosity on AfD solutions problems we face. Believe me I met some who could only name Migration when I asked, for example, about AfD solution for tenant issues and tenant protections.

As we have relatives in the USA a good one is also Trump and the republican regime. Talking Elon Musk endorsement of the AfD and their endorsement of Trump, whom the people here dislike as well. So I'm just telling them to catch up with our trusted relatives from the USA and how they're doing with the current republican regime...

With some however it's just so pointless to discuss in my opinion. Best to keep calling out the lack of serious solutions, stirring up of hatred and Climate change denial. There are enough cognitive dissonance, economy incorrect conclusions to call out.

The YouTube Video "Fascists will only waste your time" argues in-depth why arguing with them will not work. I can recommend watching, if y'all have time to spare!

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This!

The best strategy is to engage in genuine conversations.

Most people just label the unknowledgable as stupid and attempt to desperately convince them with a bombardment of facts and counter-arguments. Even worse is just calling them "Nazi" and leave it at that. This is futile with some people who have gone down too deep into the hate-train of social media. They will immediately mentally blockade what you're saying and the cycle continues.

It's way more effective to get into a friendly conversation and actually engage with what they are saying. Listen. Ask questions. Listen. Ask questions. Understand why they believe what they believe. Be open to their arguments, however rediculous you might find them.

The most important thing you need to realize that it's not their fault and they are not stupid! They are just the output of their environment. Everyone has emotions. And everyone deals with them differently. Everyone has their environment. And everyone sources their information from that environment. Everyone has parts of their lives where they are misinformed or less educated than an expert in the field. You too! Consequently, the way to change someone's belief is to change their environment while understanding their emotional basis.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Germany: well, okay, listen, it's not working out for America, and it didn't work out for us that one time, but they promised it'll be different for us. What's a few civil liberties and social safety nets if it means we get to ~~extract slave labor from immigrants~~ put immigrants in prison for life for the crime of existing?

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[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 day ago

Surprising nobody.

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