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China scientists develop flash memory 10,000× faster than current tech (interestingengineering.com)
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[–] [email protected] 25 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

This article appeared in my feed just above another article about how China has the world's first operational thorium reactor. Meanwhile, the US is about to fight a civil war over whether vaccination causes measles and stripping away the last of our social programs in order to get our wealthiest people another 2% subsidy.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 45 minutes ago

Fuck the idiotic Americans that won't bother to immunize, never mind understanding science as a whole.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 7 hours ago (6 children)

China scientists

So, Chinese scientists?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 hours ago

I think it's a slightly different connotation. "China scientists" infers scientists residing in China while not presuming their ethnicity, while "Chinese scientists" implies their ethnicity but not their location.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 hours ago

Real talk, why is discussion around people and subjects in China so fucking weird?

If it's not referring to the entire population when it only applies to the government or a subset of them as a global "the Chinese" or doing silly shit like "China scientists" everyone's grammatical skills suddenly tank when even broaching a topic even tangential to the PRC.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 hours ago

No, it's people who study fine tableware.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Me stutter? No think so!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 hours ago

Him legend.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 7 hours ago

No they are people who study the China Science.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Seriously, for me a "China scientist" is someone doing research on China, like a space scientist would do research on astronomy and similar. But I'm not a native English speaker, so, idk

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago

The wording of the headline would be different if it were trying to convey that.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, but endurance. and accuracy. and longevity. How about those?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 hours ago

And price and maye write more than 1 single bit

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

Does flash, like solid state drives, have the same lifespan in terms of write? If so, it feels like this would most certainly not be useful for AI, as that use case would involve doing billions/trillions of writes in a very short span of time.

Edit: It looks like they do: https://www.enterprisestorageforum.com/hardware/life-expectancy-of-a-drive/

Manufacturers say to expect flash drives to last about 10 years based on average use. But life expectancy can be cut short by defects in the manufacturing process, the quality of the materials used, and how the drive connects to the device, leading to wide variations. Depending on the manufacturing quality, flash memory can withstand between 10,000 and a million [program/erase] cycles.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

For AI processing, I don't think it would make much difference if it lasted longer. I could be wrong, but afaik, running the actual transformer for AI is done in VRAM, and staging and preprocessing is done in RAM. Anything else wouldn't really make sense speed and bandwidth wise.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 hours ago

Oh I agree, but the speeds in the article are much faster than any current volatile memory. So it could theoretically be used to vastly expand memory availability for accelerators/TPUs/etc for their onboard memory.

I guess if they can replicate these speeds in volatile memory and increase the buses to handle it, then they'd be really onto something here for numerous use cases.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (2 children)

Link to the actual paper: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-025-08839-w

The repro and verification will take time. Months or even years. Don't trust anyone who says it's definitely real or definitely bunk. Time will tell.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 minutes ago

Speaking of, did you hear there's a new room temperature super conductor?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Damn. I just pulled all my stock out quantum computing and thru it all into this…

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 hours ago

Easy when you have zero

[–] [email protected] 21 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Clickbait article with some half truths. A discovery was made, it has little to do with Ai and real world applications will be much, MUCH more limited than what's being talked about here, and will also likely still take years to come out

[–] [email protected] -2 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

The key word is China, let us not kid ourselves. Otherwise it would be just another pop sci click but now it can be an ammunition in the fight with imperialist degenerated west or some bs like that

[–] [email protected] 3 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

T-800 chip

[–] [email protected] 3 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Whatis?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 12 hours ago

I don't remember the scene but it looks like memory from an Android. Not sparkly enough for star trek, maybe terminator 2?

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