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YES thank you, finally somebody says it. I couldn't muster the motivation to make this exact thought into a post yet even though the idea has been going through my head for a long time.

Of course, if every person uses their own house, you need lots of houses which "stimulates the economy", i.e. it shifts wealth from the pockets of the workers into the pockets of the construction companies, up from where it goes partially to the owner's pockets, partially to the wages. Yet with every iteration of the game the owners grab a bigger and bigger piece of the wealth, until it is all accumulated uphill. Consider:

i love my family! the love however is at odds with knowing what its like to live in the same house as my family

Would girls still want me if I said I lived with my parents as a 30 year old grown ass man that can't afford his own place?

Yeah I'm not living with my mom thanks

I made 10 bucks an hour in 2007 and had a one bedroom one bathroom apartment for $475 in a college city.

Living on your own was possible 18 years ago.

No THIS POST is a psyop to help normalise the idea of generational family living at home again so that we'll swallow the ungodly recession and poverty that will be brought upon the entire working class; should we not agree, as a global unit, to Tax the rich and restore wealth to the Government, Middle and Working classes and out of the hands of Billionaires. Fuck this post.

People used to be able to do all that solo working as a janitor.

I work as a janitor and I can't even fucking feed myself all the time.

This is less a psy-op thing than it is a product of Western society's history - and I don't mean it as in "capitalism is bad and everything I don't like is caused by it", but literally living in such individualist society makes people live or want to live in smaller groups as much as they can afford it. And it dates before capitalist rise, in my opinion.

However... I don't think living in smaller groups, like living alone or with a +1, is inherently a bad thing. As people said here, there may be multiple reasons one would like to departure from their parents' house, a lot of them are genuine and to have this option is a good thing. What I see as a bad thing is that each house is meant to be a world by its own and in some places and contexts we don't have any community bond. This phenomenon contributes to anomie in Durkheim's sense, in my opinion.

Humans have lived in multi-generational homes forever. Moving out at 18 or right after college is a 20th century psyop. It doesn't make sense unless you're getting married.

I miss living with family. Lived with my inlaws for a few years and then with my grandmother for another few before moving out on our own. We're selling our house soon and moving back with our inlaws. I've never been so burnt out and exhausted and I'm so looking forward to having extended family around to help with our kids again.

While I totally agree that it shouldn't be stigmatized, "psyop by the central banks" is absolute fucking lunacy and there isn't a single shred of evidence to support it.

Look I don't have a bone to pick with the idea of multigenerational living. It's a system that works great for some families. For me though, the most peaceful day of my life is going to be the day after my mother dies. I sometimes dream about how incredible it will feel to know that vile crone will never be able to hurt me again. There is no amount of money you could pay me to live with her again, I've chosen homelessness over it before. No banker's conspiracy did that.

We should absolutely destigmatize the idea of living with your parents, but it is not a solution to our housing crisis. If anything, this rhetoric is similar to that employed by corporations regarding recycling. It pushes the responsibility onto individuals not doing enough, rather than looking at the large levels of corporate property ownership that is the root cause of our crisis.

I very much disagree with this. Paying your own rent means you have a place to call your own, even if someone else owns it. Paying a mortgage means you own your own property and have the ability to do whatever you want with it, even if you're tied to a bank.

At 18, you're essentially starting your life, and sometimes you need space to do that.

Multi generational households are known for their lack of privacy and personal agency. You could not pay me to move back in with my parents. I don't even stay with them over the holidays because it's that bad. The banks did not have to brainwash me on this one.

Here's the thing.

It shouldn't be stigmatized, and it shouldn't be something that's any of anyone else's business beyond being an interesting fact about a person. Just one more nugget to find.

There's no single right answer for everyone.

Families are fucking complicated. Some of them, you could happily live together your entire life. Others, you might need a giant house and you'd still have friction. Some, you don't even want to be in the same state, much less share a house.

It is, however, true that as the number of people in a group increases, the work required to maintain healthy relationships increases exponentially.

If there is not parity between those relationships, it multiplies the effect. Which means that everyone involved has to be willing to adapt and change over time for things to stay hair and healthy. When that isn't the case, the household is going to split in some way or another, and that usually means someone leaving is essentially necessary.

Think about it. Two people that love each other have work to do to maintain their relationship, be it romantic, friendship, parent/child, siblings, whatever. You add a third person to that, and instead of one relationship you have 4, not three. Because each individual relationship exists, and now the three way one does.

Now, think about two people starting a family. Say they only have one kid. The kid becomes an adult, with adult needs, responsibilities, wants, and habits. If the parents keep treating them like a child, dissonance will occur in most situations.

Now, have that child get married too. You've now got 4 individual relationships to maintain, the original triplet, the new triplet with the spouse and parents, plus a triplet with each parent, the child, and the child's spouse, then the quartet.

That's a shit ton of work. You've got all those people having to compromise, adjust their habits and remember boundaries. That's not something where everyone is going to major the optimum decision every single time. It's impossible almost, though if everyone puts in the effort roughly equally, it can be maintained for a lifetime.

Now, the second couple have a kid. Map out those connections and the level of difficulty spikes hard.

But, as hard as it is, if you find someone that's living in shared space, people still assume there's something wrong with the younger adults involved. And there may be, but it isn't a certainty the way people assume it will be.

There's benefits and drawbacks to every option when it comes to how a family lives, be it centralized, spread out, or fully disconnected.

Now, I've done all of that. At various points, I've lived with my sibling and parents as an adult; we've all lived apart as individuals, we've lived as duos (though not in every combination), and I've had two partners that lived with me during all of that, and a best friend that was there through damn near all of it, and his husband for a while, plus my kid in the mix.

At various points, different people owned the house, even though it's been the same house that I grew up in for most of that. It was originally my dad as owner, with my mom having her share of that as a spouse. Then they divorced, and my dad got the house and my mom got a big check. She still lived here, but that's a separate thing. Then my dad fucked up, and me and my best friend bought it. Now, I'm the only one on the mortgage.

The dynamics of that meant that the "power" shifted as ownership did because at the end of the day, whoever is on the mortgage/deed has final legal responsibility, financial responsibility, and that means having final say on some matters, no matter how democratic everything else is. That creates an extra dynamic on top of all the others.

I can tell you for sure that it takes work, hard emotional work, to navigate every iteration of that. When that work isn't being done by everyone, shit can get bad fast.

But it's also amazing. The amount of good in it is mind boggling if you take each family unit being apart as the goal that is the only measure of success. When everyone is clicking along, and there's equity between everyone, gods it's beautiful.

Just on a practical level, everyone with income had more left over than they otherwise would have, and none of us have ever had to face the bad times alone. We've had each others back more times than I can even count (I tried, and I kept remembering more until I gave up, and I was creeping on triple digits where the level of support was part of at least one of us making it through).

And on the emotional level? It can be chaotic, yeah, but if you don't know the goodness of being able to just hug your dad any time you want to because he's just in the other room, I'm sorry. Right now, I can go hug my dad, and don't have to leave the house. He'll laugh, and ask what's up. I'll say "nothing, I just love you", and then we'll get teary eyed and he'll say it back, and then we go about our days.

It isn't for everyone. But gods damn, it sure as hell isn't a bad thing to try either

We're going to start fetishizing "living together" now because the rent is too damn high.