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[–] Yermaw@lemm.ee 58 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Can we cool it with the atrocities for a bit?

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[–] Iceman@lemmy.world 157 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I'm so fucking tired of our western politicians and media pretending that Israel isn't one of the nastiest and most evil state on this planet. Spineless fucking cowards the lot of them.

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[–] Kbobabob@lemmy.world 40 points 1 month ago (8 children)

So what are Republicans and the Trump administration doing to stop Israel?

[–] GeeDubHayduke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They kept Harris from office, thus saving all Palestinians!

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[–] index@sh.itjust.works 25 points 1 month ago

The US government has been supporting and arming israel for decades, haven't you learn already?

[–] DandomRude@lemmy.world 38 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Absolutely nothing - on the contrary, they even supply the weapons with which these shameful murders are committed.

And Trump and his band of criminals are not even alone in this - my home country, Germany, is also aiding and abetting these terrible war crimes.

I simply cannot understand how a country like Israel, which is actually completely irrelevant on the world stage, not only gets away with genocide, but is even supported by many of those countries that otherwise always play the moralizer.

The only way I can explain this is that the fascist regime in Israel is taking advantage of the fact that this country is a leader in surveillance and espionage technology. Other than by blackmailing foreign state representatives, I simply cannot explain why so many countries persist in supporting all these terrible atrocities - in democratic countries even against the will of the people and at the massive expense of votes.

I'm aware that this is conspiracy theory, but I simply can't explain it any other way because it is so incredibly absurd and shameful.

I mean, Bibi has long been the subject of an arrest warrant issued by the International Criminal Courts.

It is of course quite clear that no government official in the USA is interested in this, but the fact that European countries, which recognize this intuition as binding, are also thinking about how Netanyahu could be invited as a state guest without having to arrest him immediately is simply telling. And then also supplying weapons to a war criminal?

How?

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[–] alecbowles@lemm.ee 19 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Another day another heartbreak. How do we measure this kind of loss.

[–] Md27@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

By how many Palestinians (that are still alive) can't go back to their generational homes.

Or by how many authentic homes are on Airbnb in Israel

I'd say numbers of civilian killed, but Israel has made it impossible to get accurate numbers as they're painting everyone a target with a racial brush

Whatever flavour of colonialism and dystopia you want to taste

[–] hedhoncho@lemm.ee 42 points 1 month ago

They’re so scared of their image. Thats why I tarnish mine to stop this madness. Palestinians land was stolen. Israel is the rich entitled side and Palestine gets silenced and stripped of everything. It’s so sad they can’t just share.

[–] Frog@lemmy.ca 41 points 1 month ago

Put Your Soul on Your Hand and Walk directed by Sepideh Farsi

[–] thefluffiest@feddit.nl 305 points 1 month ago (5 children)

No one has sullied the memory of the holocaust more than Israel

[–] KMAMURI@lemmy.world 81 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They're just trying to make sure everyone remembers with holocaust 2.0

[–] huppakee@lemm.ee 15 points 1 month ago

Well I'm sure as hell not gonna forget, can they just stop already

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[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 179 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Wow... just wow...

It's heartbreaking and enraging.

We're essentially at the point where the Israeli government could justify the Holocaust as long as the Nazis said "Hamas officers hiding among them" before killing people. The genocide is not only cruel but a callous waste of life, hope and talent.

[+] Tinidril@midwest.social -34 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

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[–] alecbowles@lemm.ee 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Are you a bot or just an uneducated wanna-be historian of the internet trying to teach people shit you have no expertise about?

[–] torrentialgrain@lemm.ee 36 points 1 month ago (1 children)

What the fuck dude.

[+] Tinidril@midwest.social -56 points 1 month ago (1 children)

All the fuck.

[–] torrentialgrain@lemm.ee 75 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

Nah. I mean I’m German and what you’re saying is literally what we’ve been hearing from Neonazi circles for decades. It’s historically wrong and actually antisemitic.

The holocaust is the name for this specific event and there has not in human history been a larger industrially organized murder of a people.

It’s kind of insane that this neonazi propaganda is now being adopted from what I assume are leftists.

[–] UniversalBasicJustice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 month ago (3 children)

If his home instance is any indication, this absolutely tracks for the Midwest US. I grew up in the northern Midwest and drove past a Confederate flag frequently for the better part of 15 years. I got to thinking about it; I recognized it as a dog whistle for racism, but did the people who flew it so proudly recognize it as such?

And I realized they probably didn't. They likely saw it as a 'proud symbol of their good ole boy, "states rights fighters" Southern heritage.' and frankly, that idea bothered me at a deeper level than if they were flying that flag as a dog-whistle.

The people of Germany have taken generational responsibility for the horrendous, genocidal 3rd Reich. They own it, they condemn it, and they do their best to combat misinformation about it.

Not so for the US. We tried, briefly, a little bit, to affect and promote Reconstruction. It failed pretty spectacularly thanks to Andrew Johnson's vetoes. The ensuing decades saw white supremacists develop the Good Ole Boy myth, white-washing and denying the true reason they wanted to fracture the Union.

Jump to today; Germans arguing against anti-Semitism while the US is deporting brown people to concentration camps.

My passport arrived today, praise Satan. Trying to properly secure a work visa in the EU but will also have my bugout bag with documentation close at hand.

Speaking of; got any job opportunities for a 2 YOE mechanical engineer? Or advice on applying to Masters programs in Germany? I believe I can travel to and stay in the Schengen Zone for 90 days visa-free with the US passport, but I'm not sure if I'm able to convert that to a work permit.

Any EU friends able to help a worried AuDHD dude? I know zero people who have traveled internationally and I'm lost.

[–] AFaithfulNihilist@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Germany is supporting Israel and it's ongoing genocide. You're not in much of a position to shake your finger.

Germany is not doing much better in the anti-Semitism department considering that Palestinians are semites and Germany has made it illegal to criticize Israel.

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[–] huppakee@lemm.ee 4 points 1 month ago

You could register on couch surfing, it might be a good place to meet people once you start exploring options in Europe. You can also ask questions and advice, there is also events organised by people so it works a bit like a forum/ social media platform. You don't have (the intent) to host or stay with someone to use it as as a source of local info: https://www.couchsurfing.com/

Also maybe this is valuable (maybe less if you're only interested in moving around in the Schengen area): https://www.passportindex.org/passport/united-states-of-america/

[–] Arigion@feddit.org 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Have a look: https://www.make-it-in-germany.com/en/visa-residence/types/job-search-opportunity-card

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[–] alvvayson@lemmy.dbzer0.com 32 points 1 month ago (14 children)

Yes, there has been. Neonazi propaganda is bad, but so is Zionist propaganda

The transatlantic slave trade put 12 million people on ships from Africa to the Americas. 2 million died and 10 million lived awful lives no better than that of the Jews in concentration camps.

Once you add their descendents (we don't know the total number) we have 10s to 100s of millions of people living in work camps for 20 generations spanning 350 years.

Never has there been any compensation paid to descendants of slavery. Even today, there is still compensation paid to descendants of Holocaust victims, and the time difference between the end of slavery and the Holocaust is less than that between the Holocaust and today.

And it's not just this one. Germany more or less ignores the genocide it committed in Namibia.

Even when it comes to WW2, the focus is always on the 6 million Jews and not the 20 million Slavs. Even though Slavs are a more homogeneous ethnic group than Jews. It was just inconvenient during the cold war to see the USSR and its citizens as a victim worthy of compensation.

And then finally, this live streamed genocide in Gaza. Which in some respects is worse than the Holocaust, even if the absolute number is lower.

My grandparents were resistance fighters in WW2. They knew Jews were being picked up and sent to camps, and they saved a few from that fate, but they didn't know the truth about Auschwitz until after the war. The images were not publicly available in occupied Europe. They were shocked. And the same is true for most Germans. The Nazi's never had popular democratic support for the war and genocide.

But in Gaza, we can all see it. It is being denied, while being live streamed. The Israeli's, Americans and the Germans can see the starving kids in Gaza and still provide popular democratic support to its continuation.

The Germans of WW2 never reached that level of moral depravity, only a few Nazi's did.

[–] UniversalBasicJustice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

10 million lived awful lives no better than that of the Jews in concentration camps.

Source?

living in work camps for 20 generations spanning 350 years.

Source?

Never has there been any compensation paid to descendants of slavery

I'll let you have this one

Even today, there is still compensation paid to descendants of Holocaust victims, and the time difference between the end of slavery and the Holocaust is less than that between the Holocaust and today.

So? The US is in the wrong for not compensating, Germany is actually trying at least.

not the 20 million Slavs.

We're discussing the Holocaust perpetuated by the Nazi regime against Jewish people and other so-called 'undesireable' humans, not Stalin's crimes against the people he was ostensibly responsible for. Stay on topic.

Even though Slavs are a more homogeneous ethnic group than Jews. It was just inconvenient during the cold war to see the USSR and its citizens as a victim worthy of compensation.

Why are you using ethnic homogeneity as an argument in your favor? Especially when trying to minimize the Jewish Holocaust in favor of painting the USSR as the victim‽

The Nazi's never had popular democratic support for the war and genocide

The Germans of WW2 never reached that level of moral depravity, only a few Nazi's did

Source? Pretty sure we had some pretty public trials over those claims already.

I don't even disagree with you about Gaza, you've just got incredibly shit takes on history.

[–] homoludens@feddit.org 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

You need to provide sources. For example: most Germans knew about concentration camps and the mass murder (source).

[–] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 32 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

The transatlantic slave trade, horrible as it was, took hundreds of years to make its victims, and was not a campaign of targeted extermination. There was little to no care for the slaves' lives, but their murder wasn't the goal.

The Holocaust only lasted from 41 to 45. 6 million jews were murdered in a span of only 4 years. In a period of just 100 days 1,47 million jews were systematically targeted and exterminated. That's nearly double the rate of the Rwandan genocide. It's the same amount of people who died on board of the slave ships spanning from the 16th to the 19th century. No genocide in history has a higher death rate than that. 90+% of Polish jews were murdered, a near total extinction.

That's what people refer to when they talk about the largest industrial genocide. No other genocide in our history has come close. The numbers do not lie, and calling the memory of the Holocaust "zionist propaganda" is pretty sickening. It's not just zionists that claim this you know, reputable historians around the world do.

[–] ubergeek@lemmy.today -4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (5 children)

Dying wasn't the goal, for the concentration camps, either, generally. It was creation of a slave labor race. Generally, the ones who were exterminated right out where the ones incapable of work (In the German's eyes).

Kinda the same with slavery. Incapable of hard labor Black people were just put down.

And is murdering them via forced labor different if it only happens in select camps, versus in the cotton fields? Is time frame a difference, really? 6 years to die vs 20 years to die... Honestly, the former is likely more "humane"...

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[–] seeigel@feddit.org 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

there has not in human history been a larger industrially organized murder of a people.

In a period of just 100 days 1,47 million jews were systematically targeted and exterminated. That’s nearly double the rate of the Rwandan genocide.

If you put it like that Rwanda's manual genocide sounds evilly impressive.

[–] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 10 points 1 month ago

Oh yes the Rwandan genocide really was incredibly brutal. If there had been a strong state apparatus I have little doubt that they could have matched the Holocaust rate. The intention was certainly there.

[–] alvvayson@lemmy.dbzer0.com -5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Did I say the slave trade was an industrial genocide?

You are cherry picking parameters to try and make the Holocaust some kind of unique tier of atrocity.

In the same time frame 20 million Slavs died.

On certain islands in the Caribbean, 100% of the native population was murdered and displaced, which is more than 90%.

Yes, there are certain aspects of the Holocaust that are unique, but it is not in a unique tier by itself. There are many metrics that make other atrocities worse.

[–] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Did I say the slave trade was an industrial genocide?

Yes you did. The comment you replied to said:

The holocaust is the name for this specific event and there has not in human history been a larger industrially organized murder of a people.

You then replied with:

Yes, there has been. Neonazi propaganda is bad, but so is Zionist propaganda. The transatlantic slave trade put 12 million people on ships from Africa to the Americas.

[–] homoludens@feddit.org 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I don't know how else to say it, but: the unique aspects of the Holocaust are what makes the Holocaust unique.

Making up "tiers" of mass murder or genocide is dehumanizing. There is no point in trying to compare these atrocities - except of course if someone wants to say e.g. "Well, the holocaust wasn't that bad".

[–] alvvayson@lemmy.dbzer0.com -4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This whole discussion is in the context that, in Germany and the Western world, the Holocaust is positioned as the worst thing that ever happened. And the Nazi's as uniquely evil.

That's the propaganda we are arguing against.

[–] homoludens@feddit.org 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Even if that is "the propaganda" (which I have not seen in this thread btw): your counterproposition is not to dispose of the whole one-dimensional "which atrocity is worse" bullshit, but instead formalizing it by speaking of tiers and arguing that the holocaust wasn't that bad. That's dehumanizing, has no value at all (it's not like a "tier 2 genocide" it somehow more okay) and instead opens the doors for Nazi apologia and antisemtism and derails the discussion.

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[–] fartsparkles@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

You are blessed with a country with a functioning education system. It seems some countries only educate to the level of “Welcome to McDonald’s. Can I take your order?”

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[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 207 points 1 month ago

But don't anyone say that Israel is doing anything bad, or you'll be deported to a concentration camp for your antisemitic terrorism, without trial.

[–] Retreaux@lemmy.world 108 points 1 month ago (1 children)

God I fucking hate Israel they've really taken the stage as God-awful monsters and I hate seeing this play out day after day SHIT

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I'm here with you bro, I feel the same. I really felt that last "SHIT". 🤝🫂

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[–] Nurse_Robot@lemmy.world 57 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Read this article if you want to feel horrible and powerless

[–] makyo@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

Sucks but our only real power is remembering this and reminding others that it's happening.

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