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It marks the first long-term, stable operation of the technology, putting China at the forefront of a global race to harness thorium – considered a safer and more abundant alternative to uranium – for nuclear power.

The experimental reactor, located in the Gobi Desert in China’s west, uses molten salt as the fuel carrier and coolant, and thorium – a radioactive element abundant in the Earth’s crust – as the fuel source. The reactor is reportedly designed to sustainably generate 2 megawatts of thermal power.

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[–] [email protected] -4 points 5 days ago (8 children)

Who still thinks the South Chinese Morning Post is a legit source after what happened to Hong Kong needs a reality check.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 days ago

SCMP has always sided with mainland China on crux issues, but I've read them on and off for nearly 10 years now and have found them to be very reliable.

In fact, this is exactly what the Wikipedia page for reliable sources says about it too: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago (4 children)

Scientific advances from China need to have outside confirmation. Because, propaganda and all that

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I cannot speak for this area of science, but in my field China's research papers, for example rock mass failure response to complex stress states, are like a god send, really quality work. This is my opinion in my field but if I had to extrapolate... Remember the Soviets with all their propaganda had amazing scientists

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

They're also crushing it in the ML space. Half the good AI papers are written in Chinese; one of the startups I worked at had the luxury of hiring a Chinese speaking AI researcher who could read them for us

[–] [email protected] -2 points 5 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Yes, there were heavy mistakes made, from making stupid decisions to giving positions of power to people who should had been fired. But this happened everywhere, for example the big use of lobotomies to the red scare that caused many scientist like Oppenheimer to get in trouble with the US goverment.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

They all do. It's called peer review

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[–] [email protected] 270 points 6 days ago (9 children)

For anyone not familiar with thorium...

Thorium is a great nuclear fuel. Much much safer than the uranium we currently use, because the reaction works best only within a narrow temperature band. Unlike uranium which can run away, a thorium reactor would become less efficient as it overheats possibly preventing a huge problem. That means the fuel must be melted into liquid to achieve the right temperature. That also provides a safety mechanism, you simply put a melt plug in the bottom of the reactor so if the reactor overheats the plug melts and all the fuel pours out into some safe containment system. This makes a Chernobyl / Fukushima style meltdown essentially impossible.

There are other benefits to this. The molten fuel can contain other elements as well, meaning a thorium reactor can actually consume nuclear waste from a uranium reactor as part of its fuel mix. The resulting waste from a thorium reactor is radioactive for dozens or hundreds of years not tens of thousands of years so you don't need a giant Yucca Mountain style disposal site.
And thorium is easy to find. Currently it is an undesirable waste product of mining other things, we have enough of it in waste piles to run our whole civilization for like 100 years. And there's plenty more to dig up.

There are challenges though. The molten uranium is usually contained in a molten salt solution, which is corrosive. This creates issues for pipes, pumps, valves, etc. The fuel also needs frequent reprocessing, meaning a truly viable thorium plant would most likely have a fuel processing facility as part of the plant.

The problems however are not unsolvable, Even with current technology. We actually had some research reactors running on thorium in the mid-1900s but uranium got the official endorsement, perhaps because you can't use a thorium reactor to build bombs. So we basically abandoned the technology.

China has been heavily investing in thorium for a while. This appears to be one of the results of that investment. Now this is a tiny baby reactor, basically a lab toy, a proof of concept. Don't expect this to power anybody's house. The point is though, it works. You have a 2 megawatt working reactor today, next you build a 20 megawatt demonstrator, then you start building out 200 megawatt units to attach to the power grid.

Obviously I have no crystal ball. But if this technology works, this is the start of something very big. I am sure China will continue developing this tech full throttle. If they make it work at scale, China becomes the first country in the world that essentially has unlimited energy. And then the rest of the world is buying their thorium reactors from China.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 5 days ago

Thanks for a thorough explanation.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Thorium tarnishes to olive grey when exposed to air. This makes it kinda greenish. Green is the color of stamina, so this checks out.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Then why isn’t viagra green? Checkmate!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago

Because it's for blueing your load.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 days ago

It's temporary stamina, so it's the cyan at the end of the green bar.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

If you’re feeling out of breath, drink a thorium potion!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago

It's got electrolytes!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 days ago

If I drink the blue potion, I get tingly and my skin starts sloughing off. Must be the cobalt.

[–] [email protected] 109 points 6 days ago (5 children)

If true, this is a huge step! Congrats to China!

"Strategic stamina" is something that the US used to have but which has disappeared as the country just tries to catch its breath.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 5 days ago (3 children)

America has been strategically sitting on a couch eating strategic cheeseburgers for the past 50 years

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 days ago

So did Europe.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

America has been destroyed by the politics of the southern strategy.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

If it's true, China has energy security for the foreseeable future - as Thorium is usually found along side rare earths, and China has the largest deposits of those. More than anywhere else in the world.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 days ago

That's what I tell my partners. They are, thus far, unimpressed.

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