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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

AOC is not a good representation of the democrats. Obama, Biden, Pelosi, and Gavin Newsom are better reps for the party. With the things AOC values, it feels she only identifies as Democrat in order to be on the Democrat ballot. AOC has been touring with Bernie. Bernie doesn’t even identify with the Democratic Party, but still came dangerously close (according to the Dems) to being the elect instead of Biden back in 2019-2020. The Democratic Party did not like that. The dems want to keep the working class down. The republicans want to squash the working class and more into submission.

I think the people that align with the Democratic Party were feeling a lot of this between late 2019 - mid 2020.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Obama, Biden, Pelosi, and Gavin Newsom

Obama being a proponent of universal healthcare back in 2008, Biden a supporter of the Green New Deal, and Newsom part of a push for universal healthcare in Cali?

I don't mean to say that any of this is enough. I don't mean to say that the Dems aren't dragging their fucking feet and 10 years too late on every goddamn issue; I'm not saying that the system is working or that we don't need a new system.

But anyone who says that the two parties are the same or indistinguishable in terms of results or ideals is selling a crock of fascist-flavored shit. Apathy and non-participation benefits conservatives.

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[–] [email protected] 89 points 1 month ago (40 children)

I'd argue that Nancy Pelosy is more representative of the dems than AOC.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

The centers of both parties are functionally allies, the power structure of the Democratic party despises the kind of progressive politics AOC and Bernie do far more than the Republicans they claim to oppose even when those Republicans are literal out in the open fascists. Chuck Shumer is exhibit A and will become a historical touchstone for discussions about how neoliberalism always in the end sets up the conditions for fascism and then pathetically collapses in the crucial moment of resistance against fascism.

Fuck that, both parties need to go, how many times has the Democratic party laughed in the face of Bernie as they blatantly undermined him?

No, I treat Republicans as an existential threat, which means I also logically see the entrenched power structures of the Democrats that are happy to lose to Republicans rather than evolve, as an existential threat.

Pelosi is a Democrat through and through, AOC and Bernie are Democrats because they have no choice in the status quo.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The progressives need a build a new party before we destroy the existing ones.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 month ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Anyone who wants to exist under a non-fascist government?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (7 children)

We are past that point already?

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[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (5 children)

Weak response, provide evidence that trying to reform the Democratic party is a better strategy.

They will not change their strategy, the organization is structurally incapable of it, how much more proof do you need?

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