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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

MTG is far more welcome in her party than AOC is in hers.

The neoliberal DNC sees the Republicans as their esteemed opposition, as they are on the same take and have the same orders on Economic policy. They see spoilers like AOC, who are not on the corpo bribe train and for profound economic policy changes, as their enemy.

https://apnews.com/article/business-nancy-pelosi-congress-8685e82eb6d6e5b42413417f3d5d6775

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/04/15/nancy-pelosi-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-481704

The Democrats, almost all of them save a couple of spoilers, aren't the fascists themselves, but they've spent the last half century enabling the fascists. The Democrats don't care about entire industries of confidence schemes murdering Americans like our deathcare industry, they don't care about poor kids getting a good education, and they dont care about millions of our most betrayed neighbors dying in the streets. As the bad cop Fascists brag about how much they love the schaudenfreude of the pain those people are in, the good cop neoliberals shrug "free market forces, sorry! But I do affirm your identity, homeless dying/lifesaving healthcare denied person!"

That's why there really isn't hope until we collapse, hopefully by our hands in revolution and not by oligarch made climate change in a couple decades. Best, best, best, best case scenario, we have a real election in 3. 5 years and the Neoliberals gain power, do NOTHING to reign in the oligarchs, income inequity, or our sociopathic, murderous capital markets as they're gleefully paid not to do. Fascism is the takeover of the state to serve big capital's need for ever moar, and so the table will remain set to go back on the fascist march in just another 4 years.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Yeah for sure AOC represent Democrats 😂😂😂. They are all behind her and sure will let her run for primary and win like they did with Bernie Sanders. LMAO

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Did Bernie not run in the primary? I remember him having his ass handed to him in my state.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

These are wildly opposite and anyone who says AOC isn't a real representation of DNC must also find a more GOP aligned member, like Mike Johnson or Steve Scalise. They are despicable but not all-caps-tweets kind of despicable.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

AOC is the only representation of the DNC. Hope she unseats Schumer, becomes leader of the democratic party, and down the line runs for President. She will be the best president America have had.

I do not hope she runs for President next time though, as my thoughts of Americans are very low, and i believe them to be too bigoted to vote for her yet. yet.

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[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

These people are co-workers and collaborators. That's why we don't have universal healthcare or a green new deal. It's why we have fascism.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 month ago (1 children)

AOC and Bernie should just start their own party and drive the establishment democrats out if business.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (7 children)

I’m pushing for this every day. It’s our only way out of this.

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 1 month ago (7 children)

Anyone that has to hear “the two parties are not the same” is too stupid to change their tiny little mind and recognize it.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (6 children)

I'm so fucking tired of this argument.

It's the same fucking bullshit loop every goddamned time. Somebody will say that the two parties are "the same" clearly meaning "the same in [this] particular sense, and then the pedantic assholes will all come swooping in and start nattering on about how that's completely wrong because they're not absolutely 100% identical.

Here's a fucking news flash for all you binaristic pinheads - there are more than two possibilities. We aren't just limited to "they're 100% the same" and "they're not the same at all." It's not only possible but certain fact that they ARE the same in many, many ways, and the fact that they're not the same in ALL ways doesn't change that.

Anyone who can't envision more than two diametrically opposed possibilities is a fucking moron, and I'm sick and tired of this argument being driven by fucking morons.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Example:

"Republicans are corrupt weasels."

"Democrats are the same."

I see only three options there. Either:

  1. You understand and admit that they mean "the same" in the sense of "also corrupt weasels."
  2. You're a liar
  3. You're a moron.
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

If they are "the same in this particular sense" then use that language instead. In no other context do people use the phrase "these are the same" meaning "these have something in common." I wouldn't defend the phrase "Galas and Fijis are the same" because of their similarities any more or less than if I were to compare apples and oranges. I'd say they're both apples or they're both fruit or any number of specific descriptors that they actually share.

It seems to me that if people are using this language as you suggest then they should communicate more clearly, or, more likely, this isn't what they mean.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Agreed.

The notion of "both sides are the same" is a leftist critique that points out how both parties were long ago bought out and captured by special interests. The people hammering on this idea are especially critical at how, during the 2024 election, when the Democratic establishment was faced with a choice between bowing down to Israel and mitigating full-blown fascism, they chose to bow down to to Israel, commit genocide, and embarrassingly hand yet another win to Trump. All for them sweet AIPAC dollars.

Sure, AOC, the democrat's shining star of progressivism, has different policy positions than MTG, of the right's most outward and frothing fascists, but talk about a low bar... It's akin to saying "how can you say both parties are the exact same when one has a donkey mascot and one has an elephant? A donkey is not the same as an elephant - check and mate, tankie"

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I think it's also selfishness. These dumbasses are still comfortable in life and so refuse to take off their blinders.

Nowhere in history have things gotten better by simply waiting.

But because things aren't bad for them it's not a problem.

The ole "First They Came" in action.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

It can be - certainly.

One of the basic dynamics of partisan politics, and one of the main reasons that parties decline, is that people wear a party label as a substitute for more meaningful action.

In this case, people who want to project an image of progressivism without actually doing anything practical to advance the cause adopt (or adopted - more so in the past) the "Democrat" label as a way to signal their progressivism. The fact that they wear the label is then folded into their self -image - they can be proud that they're progressive, because after all, they're Democrats, which proves it.

One problem though is that that only works as long as the Democrats are seen to be progressive. If they're no longer seen that way, then by extension the party faithful are themselves no longer progressive either.

So effectively, a criticism of the party is a criticism of the individual, so they have a vested interest in defending the party from criticism.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

Agreed. Their progressive Renaissance is always just one presidency away, and they will perpetually sacrifice however many Palestinians it takes to bide themselves time.

In other words, they will keep throwing bodies into the blood machine that is the American political experiment in hopes of a progressive renewal that will never happen. There is no red line for them - that is, a point where they'd consider "damn, we are fucking shit up heavy for the whole world, and we have a duty to tear ourselves down".

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