I'm really hoping we don't get another bait and switch for another milquetoast Neoliberal who only wants to maintain the status quo.
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Fuck you Bernie and the rest of the Democrat puppets
Republican puppets are dismantling the country but Democrats are the do nothing party that allows the fascism to continue
join the sra, then, but you need to spend a hundred times more effort fighting your enemies than your allies
I dont rellay get the Bernie hate. He is one of very very few politicians actually doing something: rile up a base to vote against Trump and Republicans. What exactly do you think he should be doing?
he's become a shill that's using his reputation to guide people back into a party that has done nothing to counter trump and supports the genocide.
he’s become a shill that’s using his reputation to guide people back into a party that has done nothing
You can accuse Sanders of Entryism to your heart's content and I won't raise more than an eyebrow. But the idea that Sanders is trying to guide liberals back to the liberal party is absurd. Democrats were always going to come home to the Democratic Party. If Sanders is guilty of trying to transform the party from the inside, that's a strategy at least as honorable as Trump's vision of transforming the Republican Party was vile.
But the sentiment is misplaced regardless. Sanders isn't going to find the big OFF button in the Democratic Party's genocide machine, because it doesn't exist. Trying to blame him for liberal endorsements of fascism at home is as foolhard as it would be to excuse him for his historical endorsements of Israel. He can hold all the rallies he wants, for whichever party he pleases. But this is ultimately outside of his hands and squarely in the hands of the American proletariat. They're running the Big Genocide Machine and only they can dismantle it.
this ignores the roles of propaganda, misinformation, manufactured consent and lobbyists have on the american people; liberals ignoring these things are the key reasons why the genocide machine keeps going brrrrr and people who are aware of that fact (as sanders likely is) but help perpetuate it nonetheless are at least as guilty as the conservatives who dgaf.
this ignores the roles of propaganda, misinformation, manufactured consent and lobbyists have on the american people;
Well, it cedes that - absent any other voices - the existing liberal propaganda will win out and Dems will revert to the Bill Clinton / Joe Biden candidate mean.
Sanders offering an alternative from within the party isn't selling out anything. He's offering an alternative that won't offend liberals terrified of another Ralph Nader or Ross Perot "stealing" the election for the opposition.
Yes, Democrats bad. We get it. What's your solution for that other than the Glorious Revolution™ that most of us disabled and/or living in poverty won't survive.
Not voting for the Democrats really showed them for supporting the genocide. Bet they reversed course on tha- Oh... You mean they decided that Gaza wasn't the problem and instead it was their support of trans people like me? Damn...
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Trolling with anonymous input on a basis of moral superiority helps no one and makes you appear to be an agent sowing division. Just FYI, contributing nothing to the conversation, other than telling others they should be ashamed is bot behaviour.
Both MAGA and these so-called "allies" want me dead at the end of the day. We're just expected to starve to death when Amerikkka collapses or the people finally rise up.
I know full well how horrific what Israel is doing is. But there was no anti-genocide option on the ballot in 2024. There was no way that Jill Stein or whoever was going to get enough votes to win. Hell, most of Stein's supporters I talked to their best case scenario was getting to 5% for debate access and federal funds next go round. Any that I confronted about Gaza not having 4 years just shrugged and said some variation of "better than voting for a genocide" How exactly? Because they didn't have to sacrifice their ideological purity?
Also, Jill Stein is just as corrupted by Russian money as all the Republican Party leadership are. She just exists to steal Dem votes.
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There is a picture of her eating with Putin in Russia. She has been documented with plenty of evidence of her going back and forth from there several times. Fuck her.
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Yes, we already covered Democrats Bad. I agree. I hate them with a passion. Doesn't change that in a national electoral sense they are the only viable party at this moment to enact any kind of positive change. They are not and should never be the only option. But all people who talk like you do ever seem to offer as a solution is the "Glorious Revolution™" that hundreds of thousands if not millions of vulnerable people WILL die in because they never think about how those people are going to survive when food or medicine supply lines get disputed by fighting for the most fucking basic of examples.
They engage in this rhetoric because it's Magical Thinking that absolves them of having to do something they feel is icky and stains their ideological purity. It'll all be fixed when the Oppressed finally throw off their chains and eat the rich or whatever.
Some historical context for you.
Just in case you don't read or comprehend the article here is a TL;DR
Third party is dead in the US without changes to the voting process.
And just to be more clear: You, and anyone else who voted third party essentially voted for Trump. And if you didn't vote you voted for Trump as well.
if you didn’t vote you voted
the mental gymnastics inside one clause are incredible
If you don't understand how either not voting or voting third party equated to voting for Trump then I guess enjoy riding your moral high horse of superiority.
trump only gets to count votes for him. any other vote is a vote against him, and a non vote is a non vote
See the thing is that a candidate only needs a plurality of cast votes. So every vote that doesn't get cast makes that plurality easier to achieve. If there are 100 people that can vote and all of them do you need 51 for a majority. If 10 of them don't vote at all and there's only 90 left you now only need 46 for that same majority. If another 10 of them vote for some third party that person now only needs 41 votes to have the largest plurality. Every person that doesn't vote lowers the threshold for victory.
It's tempting to think that this benefits both remaining candidates equally since both can benefit from that lowered margin. But in reality it gets skewed based on who stayed home/voted third party and who didn't. This is the spoiler effect.
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the yougov polls shows that your fellow democrats didn't vote because they didn't want to be complicit in a genocide that the democrats openly enabled; not because they wanted to punish the democrats and this is going to happen again and again because even the likes of bernie sanders are a zionists.
that poverty you're living through comes as the hands of democrats and republicans alike. sure, it's slower with the democrats, but you're still going to live with it nonethless.
and there will be no glorious revolution; just a natural decay of the system we're in and a natural response from the people like us once things get bad enough, while we watch people in other places have it much better.
the yougov polls shows that your fellow democrats didn't vote because they didn't want to be complicit in a genocide that the democrats openly enabled; not because they wanted to punish the democrats and this is going to happen again and again because even the likes of bernie sanders are a zionists.
Yeah, but what lesson did leadership take from this whole thing? That they were too far left on trans issues. But yeah Bernie is the Zionist when he was pushing for blocking weapons to Israel.
that poverty you're living through comes as the hands of democrats and republicans alike. sure, it's slower with the democrats, but you're still going to live with it nonethless.
I know exactly who is responsible for the merciless regime of means testing that makes escaping poverty such a Sisyphean task because they'd rather 100 deserving people get nothing if it prevents a single undeserving person from benefiting. I have no love for the Democrats. I simply understand that First Past the Post has my well being held hostage and a win outside the duopoly on a national scale is mathematically impossible.
and there will be no glorious revolution; just a natural decay of the system we're in and a natural response from the people like us once things get bad enough, while we watch people in other places have it much better.
There it is. Pray tell, what is this "natural response" you speak of? Cuz I might be wrong, but it sounds to me like myself and millions like me are still expected to be sacrificed upon the altar of ideological purity so they don't have to do something icky like vote for a Democrat.
zionism and providing weapons to isreal are related, but not the same thing; bernie does one of them, but the results are the same.
the first-past-the-post argument is like anti-3rd-party-voting rhetoric and is meant to re-enforce this shitty voting system and deflect blame away from the people who have forced it upon us. there have been multiple living, breathing examples that prove such rhetoric is false; mexico and sheinbaum is the most recent proof.
the democrats and the republicans are two sides of the same mainstream coin that inevitably come after vulnerable groups when things start to get bad, like they are right now. niemoller's poem warns us that leftists and trans people need to work together to protect ourselves against this mainstream and your comment about the "Glorious Revolution™" & fptp proves how effectively the american system sows disunity.
finally, we have plenty of examples of what this natural response will look like and adherence like yours to the status quo groups like the democrats is helping to usher it in.
The first past the post argument is anti-3rd-party-voting rhetoric? The long studied mathematical tendency of first past the post systems to consolidate towards two party rule through among other factors strategic voting and the spoiler effect? Yeah okay Buddy. You're definitely the best leftist here. You win.
yougov is an england-based private organization, founded by right wingers. They've encroached upon and prevert American politics.
yougov is propaganda.
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