There's a guy who was really into bread who wrote a whole book about this.
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In this thread: people that don't know how to be cool.
So "everybody has the nukes" and "nothing is against the law if you have a bigger gun"?
That'll be a real cool couple of minutes, bud, sure.
That's how you get a Chairman.
Once they get comfy, they're quite hard to get rid of.
No, it is not. Where do you get these ideas? It is harder to get control over people in an already free society then in a society where you can use already existing structures of control to gain even more control
Yeah well that sounds great, but people tend to be pretty horrible and selfish assholes rather than "just being cool." I'm not sure the President is much more than just a figurehead most of the time, but I've seen people try to start "be cool" communities that always ended up failing.
For one thing, some people wanted to do things that disrupted the sleep of others, for another thing, some people wanted to go around naked while others didn't want to see them running around naked, and some people wanted to have pot parties, whiles others found it disgusting. Eventually it all ends up withg people at each other's throats.
I think it'd be a lot easier to just be cool if people could really just be cool and not hyper-upset and offended by everything all the time.
That is what happens when a bunch of rich kids try to play equality, while actually growing up as spoiled brats. In true egalitarian societies, which were the norm for 95% of humanities history, people live extremely equal lives where they HAVE to be nice to each other. When you have no choice but to get along with others, you have to take care of other peoples feelings or you can get kicked out of your group and left to fend for yourselves, which in nature is a death sentence. Or since there is no police, just straight up murdered by someone else.
No one is naturally nice, but when you live together with other people, you are forced to be. Unless you have rich mom and dad where you can go back to, if others aren't letting you do what they did.
Yeah, those communes ended up being an untenable disaster or an abusive (usually sexually) cult.
They never really worked out, everyone wants to do their own thing and that inevitably means someone gets upset or offended. If we were all given our own planet, we could probably get away with doing whatever we want to do, but in a world full of other people there's just no such thing as absolute freedom to do anything you want.
Poland managed without an elected government for about a year. Heard it was nice.
Many societies did. In fact, for 200 000 years, that is all we were, no rulers no chiefs, all equal, direct democracy sharing societies. This system is imposed on us ever since agriculture where we can't easily escape our lands. However, when we organize together, in large enough numbers and introduce direct democracy and clear and concrete brave actions, we can take back control from people in power.
Let me get this straight: you think that tribal humans had no rulers and no chiefs? Not only is that not true, it's like the opposite of true. There were a ton of leaders. If anything, we have fewer leaders now.
Also, your idea of direct democracy is unworkable without leaders. Who is going to make boring daily decisions like running the Post Office or the US's official position on someone's fart in Brussels? Are you trusting the average citizen to vote on that?
That is simply not true. There is a good video about it, but you can also look it up yourself. The term is egalitarian societies and antrhopologists in last 50 years discovered a bunch of currently living tribes with such structures as well as found much of evidence that before agriculture that was the norm.
The workers in those post offices are the one that run the post office, bottom up structure. In Spain during anarchist revolution, people were running every part of society in this manner without appointed leaders: factories, banks, military. And they were doing great. Turns out when you don't have someone at the top leaching all the profits, it ends up pretty profitable for the workers and job becomes a lot easier to do. You can look up anrho-sindicalist war in Spain in 20th century if you don't believe me.
I'm conflicted. I'm worried about sociopath taking advantage of the lack of government, but on the other hand I'm not sure it's worse than the current solution where said sociopaths are the government.
Don't worry, it is a lot harder for sociopath to have control over people in an already free society then in a society where you can use already existing structures of control to gain more control. Never forget, that in a system with no police, anyone can kill you if you try to hurt them. Where there is no state goverment, the people are government. And people make far more effective police to actually protect themselves then these selfish fucks.
In most systems where you can end up with no Prime Minister / President for a temporary period* the civil servants keep going. So it's not like there's no government.
* Usually it's because political parties are having trouble forming coalitions or a run off condition in countries with a history of electoral uhh ... Shenanigans.
That is how you end up with someone like Dwight Schrute as a boss.
How? What would make me, or anyone else, follow Dwight Schrutte, or anyone else, if no one is making me and more importantly, if I have a good collective support to stop anyone who is trying to dominate over me. The whole idea here is that we don't want a boss. If we can remove a boss in this society where we already have one, it would be even easier to remove a boss where we are already free and there is no one in power who can effectively stop us from just murdering Dwight.
There is literally an episode where Jim says this same thing and they end up with a Dwight as the boss instead. It’s a reference to the show.
It's a show, not a reality
How do you get shit done without executive branch of the government?
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