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Steam does what Nintendoes and Nintendon't (lemmy.ml)
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[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 month ago

Everyone knows what Steam does better, but there are a few things I wish they'd improve :

  • more granular touch display
  • higher resolution screen + larger higher res touch pad surfaces
  • TMR sticks
  • a REAL dock with simpler connection of some kind that doesn't require a weird USB-C connected cable dangling off the top (but still would support 3rd party docks with that USB-C port)
  • better vibration motors
  • pressure sensitive face buttons (this hasn't been done standard since the PS2 era, but would open up the possibility of PROPER PS2 emulation for games like MGS2 and MGS3, which STILL hasn't been done right thanks to the disappearance of pressure sensitive face buttons)
  • hot-swappable batteries that can be charged in the Deck or externally if needed
  • haptic triggers
  • NFC
  • built-in microphone array to allow voice chat + isolation
  • built-in simple web cam / IR sensor array for face tracking / video chat / streamer setup
  • advanced optional stylus with pressure sensitivity / pointer function similar to a wii-mote that can be stored / recharged on top magnetically / wirelessly
[–] [email protected] 75 points 1 month ago (3 children)

ultimate

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If you want to (legally) play Nintendo games, obviously buy a Switch 2. You don't have any other option. If Nintendo games aren't that important to you, and/or if you already have a large Steam library, a Steam Deck is a great option.

Personally, I love my Steam Deck, but I'm looking forward to a Steam Deck 2, or maybe a third party handheld, running SteamOS, that has a nice, big, 1080p screen, better controls, and better battery life. More power would be nice, but not if it comes with a louder fan and poor battery life. Honestly, I'd even be ok if the device was focused on local streaming, from my PC.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Dude, I know you didn't ask me but I 100% agree with your last part. I bought the deck. Loved it, still do. Then I bought an ally. I said, dang, game over deck, but now all I do with my ally is stream things from my gaming PC locally. Id love if the deck had vrr and 120hz/1080p screen but everything else was the same. I'd sell all of my other systems for that and exclusively just play PC games.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 month ago (12 children)

There are plenty of complaints you could levy but $90 minimum is obviously a fucking lie. And don't come at me with 1-2 examples. We all know that's bullshit.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (6 children)

Can anyone explain why there is so much hate against Nintendo?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The whole basis of both the love and hate for Nintendo is that they are a 90s company with modern tech

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Let's be honest : the love is from one single thing - Nintendo's game design.

Shigeru Miyamoto, and all the other major design leads at Nintendo like Masahiro Sakurai have been at this singular company for most of if not their ENTIRE careers and have done nothing but make video games for 40+ years now.

The game industry at large is riddled these days with 20-somethings and interns who've never shipped a game, or who are in survival mode and trying to just keep their heads above water employment-wise.

Many older game devs get burned out and change industry, or quit after a decade or so, and even the ones that stay never stick with the same company because so many cut staff after any game ships... except Nintendo and maybe a couple of other companies out there.

And it SHOWS. Nintendo's game designers - like a 60 year old master carpenter or woodworker or a dwarven master blacksmith - have honed the artisanal craft of game design to a level of mastery otherwise unseen.

Yes Nintendo sucks at pretty much everything else not related directly to game design, but there's a reason everyone tried to make their open worlds more like Breath of the Wild, or why Astro Bot seems to share so many platforming similarities with masterful 3D Nintendo platformers like Mario Odyssey, and why so many companies tried to copy Wii Sports at the height of its popularity.

Even games like Smash Bros have no comparable equal. Yes Sony did their own melee game featuring their IP, but to even try to compare the 2 games is a joke.

Outside of their masterful gameplay design... Nintendo IP is on the same level as Disney. Everyone else isn't even Warner Bros. Animation Studios. They're Hanna-Barbera.

It sucks that Nintendo is being greedy, but that Donkey Kong game DOES look fun and charming as hell and that Mario Kart game is something everyone will still go bonkers for.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago (1 children)

See post image for answer, also ridiculous litigation for emulation.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago

Also ridiculous patent trolling.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

Talking about being able to play gamecube games on switch 2 as though Dolphin doesn't exist... or rather they wish it didn't.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

oh but you have to pay extra to have access to the GameCube games. in addition to being able to play online.

man if i didn't love splatoon so much id stop bothering with Nintendo

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

"You can put pirated stuff on me and I don't give a fuck. I'll even help you run them through Steam."

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

I got a Switch for ACNH and BoTW, but I'll be damned if I'm going to pay Nintendo's exorbitant prices for a new system and games. I'll experience it vicariously through others.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Switch 2 also added a new button just to advertise their subscription, turns out that C button stands for "CASH PLEASE UwU"

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

They changed that other button so when pressed it takes a picture of your billing info

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (2 children)

The switch direct unironically made me want to get a steam deck. I guess no rush, though.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

I was waiting for the reveal to decide, and they did an excellent job getting me to choose a Steam Deck. I'll be sure to put as many Nintendo games on there as possible just because I know they hate it.

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[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 month ago (4 children)

We already know that the steamdeck plays switch games better than the switch. It would be hilarious if it also plays switch2 games better than the switch2.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If the switch 2s hardware isn't better than the Deck, then of course it will.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Do we know what the switch2's hardware is yet?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

If the leaks are correct its:

Full specs:

CPU: Arm Cortex-A78C
    8 cores
    Unknown L1/L2/L3 cache sizes
GPU: Nvidia T239 Ampere
    1 Graphics Processing Cluster (GPC)
    12 Streaming Multiprocessors (SM)
    1534 CUDA cores
    6 Texture Processing Clusters (TPC)
    48 Gen 3 Tensor cores
    2 RTX ray-tracing cores
RAM: 12 GB LPDDR5

Handheld Mode:

CPU: 998.4 MHz
GPU: 561 MHz (~1.72 TFLOPS)
Memory Frequency: 4266 MHz
Memory Bandwidth: 68.256 GB/s

Docked Mode:

CPU: 1100.8 MHz
GPU: 1007.25 MHz (~3.09 TFLOPS)
Memory Frequency: 6400 MHz
Memory Bandwidth: 102.4 GB/s

I personally don't know how that compares to other hardware though.
(Edit: Thanks for the replies!)

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

core count x clock speed hasn't been a good metric for about 15-20 years, but if we go by that anyway then it looks like the switch2 will be slightly worse than a steam deck.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

Here's the OLED Deck specs for comparison:

APU

6 nm AMD APU

APU power: 4-15W

(which contains:)

CPU:

Zen 2 4c/8t, 2.4-3.5GHz

(up to 448 GFlops FP32)

GPU:

8 RDNA 2 CUs, 1.6GHz

(1.6 TFlops FP32)

...

RAM:

16 GB LPDDR5 on-board RAM

(6400 MT/s quad 32-bit channels)

Storage:

Steam Deck 512GB NVMe SSD

Steam Deck 1TB NVMe SSD

Both include high-speed microSD card slot

EDIT: More details

https://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Steam-Deck-OLED-APU-Processor-Benchmarks-and-Specs.799065.0.html

So basically, the Deck and Switch 2 are roughly inverted in compartitive hardware power... the Deck has a more powerful CPU, the Switch 2 has a more powerful GPU.

EDIT 2:

also the Deck has 33% more RAM.

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[–] [email protected] 149 points 1 month ago (3 children)

steam voice chat

PC exclusive games

Get every GameCube game for free instantly by pirating them

[–] [email protected] 56 points 1 month ago (3 children)

GameCube, Wii... Even switch if you can find an emulator fork that still works

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Don't forget Wii U! Oh, right, they ported everything worthwhile to the Switch.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (5 children)

something sonething those people who want wwhd/tphd

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Two notable exceptions!

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Sidebar in my community has links for the surviving Switch emu forks, but I haven't tried installing them on Linux/Deck yet.

Assume it's going to be far more manual than a Flatpak or whatever for the time being :S

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

Thank you for your service o7

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (5 children)

It literally is just install a flatpak, then configure the control scheme in the emu, maybe tweak some settings, add it to your steam library, map the steam controls to the emu controls in game mode.

EmuDeck/RetroDeck automate most of this or you can just find the individual emus in the Discover software center.

... They might actually perform better if you compiled the entire thing from source on your Deck, which is possible to do, but is significantly more of a hassle, gotta set up a root pw, turn off read only mode, hope you can actually find all the sources for the dependencies, know how to tune/tweak the compile parameters to optimally use the Deck's hardware...

Ive gotten Ryujinx working via flatpak... but uh... lets just say I'd have to delve into OCing/PowerToolsing my Deck to get it to actually run many Switch/WiiU games at a playable framerate.

It works, its stable software wise... but the Deck isn't quite powerful enough.

... Also, it could be that most modern emus are designed to map consoles onto traditional PC architecture, and ironically the Deck uses an APU which is closer to many consoles, so it doesn't actually perform as well as it could with better support.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm just referring to possibly outdated package repos which may not have kept up with the forks and all the drama, but I could be easily wrong with outdated info. I haven't touched my steam deck in a couple months :p

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

EmuDeck isn't letting you auto install Yuzu anymore...

But it does install Ryujinx for you.

But it doesn't provide BIOS or prod/title keys, gotta find those on your own.

There's also Citron, but EmuDeck just lets you know it exists and won't auto dl it.

Ryujinx has a flatpak (though its a fork) in the base Discover store on a Deck running SteamOS, so its just on mainline flathub.

Yuzu and Citron appear to no longer be on flathub.

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 month ago

Switch emulators are still just as easy to find as they always were. Most people include them with the game.

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[–] [email protected] 314 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (23 children)

Steam has this crazy concept where as a game gets older, you don't have to pay as much for it as when it was new! Pretty wild, I know.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

Escept for red dead redemption. RDR2 is actually cheaper for some reason

[–] [email protected] 107 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Sometimes you don't even have to pay for games. 😇

[–] [email protected] 52 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Lemmy instance checks out

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Innuendo aside, Steam has some awesome F2P titles

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