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France to ban students from keeping smartphones in schools (www.engadget.com)

submitted 5 days ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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[–] [email protected] -3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

We didnt have any kind of phone when we were in school

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I had pagers.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

Except I was not born yet when pagers were a thing

[+] [email protected] -13 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Stupid. Kids are more informed and hooked into current events than ever before, specifically because of phones and the Internet. Hell, half of most peoples' jobs are looking up reference material online. You want kids to succeed, hand them a big list of the best places to look for the answers and let them use their phones on the test.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

Kids have no clue how the internet works for actual research. They just endlessly scroll and gobble up all of the Nazi bullshit that's spread around. The internet is dead. Smartphones are highly efficient propaganda gadgets.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago

Even though it's easier to find information than like 30 years before, kids nowadays do NOT look for news or some other "sensible" information. They watch stupid TikTok videos and things like that (yes yes, there's always some exceptions). Smartphones has become a big problem in schools. You would know that if you followed the news.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

A good reason for banning smartphones is social media addiction. Not internet searching. Its currently normal for 12 year olds to be on their phone 6-12 hours a day. And because of peer pressure parents can't do anything about it. A kid without a phone is isolated because everything happens in chat and social media.

There are more thorough solutions like age gating social media but a blanket school ban is a good start. If you still don't believe me you should really read up on what smartphones do to a kid. Addiction, lack of self control, no attention span, nearsightedness, the list goes on. Based on leaked research by TikTok itself btw.

In China they don't destroy their own kids because they already know the effects. TikTok shows different stuff there (educational content and propaganda), and kids are limited to 40m(!!!) per day. Everyone is going to deal with scores of fucked up kids while they don't.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago

They also use their phones a lot to harass each other, they can film, and take pictures of any other kid at school and post it online to harass them. Bullying has been really increasing thanks to phones in schools.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago

China limits social media because they repress free speech and political association. TikTok and other social media was a huge part of why there was such an outcry over the invasion of Ukraine and the genocide in Gaza. They doubly limit what kids can see because students are often hugely influential in political activism - especially in China, where students were an integral part of both the revolution(s) and Tiananmen Square. China's gov is pants-shittingly terrified of another student-led revolution/crisis/etc and keep a very close watch on what the kids are saying and seeing.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Make school fun and not a prison and then kids don't need phones like their office worker parents do.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 4 days ago

You could be in the finest school in the world and the phone would still win.

Also, France started doing this a few years ago already and has seen improvement across every metric. Better grades, more socializing, 80% less bullying, less anxious kids. They only downside they found? Parents complaining they were unable to call the kids at any moment.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 days ago

Doesn’t matter if the teacher is an absolute gem and knows how to captivate kids who want to learn. Most kids prefer the dopamine hit from social media and other phone usage compared to actually learning. It just ruins it for kids who actually want to learn.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I can't believe it wasn't like that since the beginning.
How is it not one of the many distracting things they would ban immediately?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

Some definitely tried. I got suspended in middle school because I forgot to turn my phone on silent and it went off in class. They had a "zero tolerance" policy, so it didn't matter that it was an accident

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I think it has to do with the Columbine school shootings.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

We're talking about France here.
And they still have phones in school in a lot of other coutries.

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