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Know your enemy (lemmy.ml)

submitted 9 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago (4 children)

I don’t always misgender. But when I do it’s because the bro got nice tits or the momma looks swole AF.

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[–] [email protected] 79 points 9 months ago (7 children)

I remember people on reddit misgendering that antiwork mod for the crime of [checks notes] a botched interview on Fox News that didn't even fucking matter.

It was an ugly thing to see all that transphobia out in the open like that.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 9 months ago (2 children)

You think that interview didn't matter? It basically killed the entire conversation about wage/labor imbalance. And that had zero to do with that mods gender, but with that mods absolute stupidity, regardless of gender

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 months ago (1 children)

That shit was blown out of proportions, yeah. Critique is fine and all, but that ended up as straight up harassment. Fuck the people using that as an excuse for their transphobia.

But I actually started chiming in when the mod team doubled down presenting themselves as spokespeople for the movement and, in a case of “cannot possibly be timed worse“, presented some kid as a new mod? Spokesperson? I don’t remember. That whole mess got so stupid I zoned out after a while.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

The mods were misfiring for sure, but what made me step away were not the mods -- that could have been addressed over time -- but the users. My reaction to the video and what the mods said was basically, "Oh haha, that was bad!" and I think that's where it ended for me. I had noted issues with the mods prior to that and brought them up, and no one seemed to care at that time -- I even pointed out several times that one of the mods had a stickied post on their profile specifically requesting interviews -- so it's hard for me to believe that the users were acting in good faith. Why did no one seem to care before that interview happened? But everyone got drummed up into an emotional frenzy, and that sort of thing is what tears movements apart -- not one or two bad mods.

I agree the mods shouldn't have positioned themselves as spokespeople, but there were so many other ways it could have been handled without melting down.

[–] [email protected] 96 points 9 months ago (5 children)

That was a colossal fuck up of an interview though, made the entire anti work community look like a load of stupid freeloaders.

Absolutely no excuse for the misgendering or any harassment, but I still wouldn’t undersell how bad that interview was.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I’m almost convinced it was deliberate

[–] [email protected] 40 points 9 months ago (3 children)

It was a Fox News interview. If the person who did the interview came off well they wouldn't have bothered airing it. Hell, if the person they interviewed didn't come off the way they did they wouldn't have bothered interviewing them.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 9 months ago

It really is hard to understate how bad the interview was, that's what makes the misgendering even worse, there were so many other things to critique...

[–] [email protected] 19 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It was Fox News. Even if had been a stellar interview, they would have made it look bad.

And I don't think it had any actual impact on how people viewed the community in general. It's just people being terminally online and blowing things way out of proportion.

I agree the interview was bad, but it's also one of the most inconsequential parts about it. That's the tiniest most petty reason I've ever seen a community tear itself apart over. It was like a bunch of mindless chickens pecking one to death because they saw a spot of blood. Definitely on brand for reddit though.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It was doomed from the start, and yet they went on anyway.

tbh I think they’d put a bad case forward even if they were given a favorable interview, considering they gave Fox more ammunition than they could ever ask for.

The misgendering and harassment is wrong, but I honestly think it’s right for the anti work community to call out how awful that interview was and distance themselves from it as much as possible. imo it did actively harm the public perception of the movement.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 9 months ago (2 children)

it did actively harm the public perception of the movement

Again, this is greatly exaggerating the nature of the situation. Even if it did, it was so minor that it could have easily recovered. It's not like irreparable harm was caused.