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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago

Our allies are fine. I'm learning to dislike my countrymen. Not that there's a lot of new ground to cover on that subject...

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I’m sorry from half of America

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Yeah sux at this point I wish I could get my family out. I know tat if we must fight ww3 we want to be on the side of democracy

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

A third. There's a third in favor of the turd, a third is apathetic, and a third did something to stop the turd.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

So two thirds are problematic.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

Are they fitting the curve on like 3 points for 24 and 25? I don't think it's untrue but why publish this with such a low-hanging fruit to delegitimize the argument

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

What I find surprising is that it was decreasing before, what happened in 2018?

EDIT : oh yeah, Trump's first term started in 2017, I just didn't realise that time passes so fast

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago (1 children)

There is a French saying that perfectly fits current situation :

You don't need enemies when you have this kind of friends.

Although I don't know if it's specifically French.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

In English it's "With friends like these, who needs enemies?"

Apparently coined by an early 20th century comedian, but I wouldn't put a lot of stock in that origin.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

now do the same thing with Canadians about mericans . 90 degree upwards i'm guessing.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Hope go isolationist like in past

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Historically, that hasn't gone well the last couple times we have tried that.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

How was this question phrased in the survey?

Because in a very literal sense, Canada is being unfriendly. They should be. Amerikkka needs like infinite punishment right now.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You could see republicans opinion change drastically and immediately in his first term based on his opinion, and democrat opinion remain relatively the same. When Obama bombed Syria, around 80 percent of Democrats and 80 percent of Republicans disapproved. When trump bombed Syria Democrats moved a few percentage points. It was probably affected, but in the deviations. Republicans swapped from 80/20 disapprove/approve straight to 20/80.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (2 children)

There was a great chart that showed this sort of phenomenon, I think across a range of issues, but I can't find it. Can anybody help me out?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

I know which one you mean I think β€” a range of charts that showed how conservatives' principles changed a lot depending on which party was in power while liberals' stayed fairly consistent. I've just spent ages trying to find it too, thought it was on dataisbeautiful but my google-fu is also letting me down.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I'm sure you can find many with words analogous to voters, changing, perceptions, opinion polls, etc. I know I've seen dozens of examples of conservatives changing their opinions dramatically based on propaganda, while everyone else β€” the people not indoctrinated with a mental illness β€” stay relatively static; as in +/- 5% instead of 10-40%.

You will likely have to use advanced search and the internet archive. Also best to search key propaganda narratives like "migrant caravan".

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Yeah, that's exactly what I'm looking for, but my google-fu (or rather DDG-fu) is failing me. That's why I'm asking for help.

You'd think an appropriate chart would come up in a simple image search and not require archive.org. I don't think it's been memory-holed; I think I can't figure out the right search terms.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

Magats are fucking dumb. Argue with them like it’s a chess match being a few moves ahead and you can very accurately predict what they’ll say next.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Like flipping a switch. Americans are completely brainwashed.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Republicans are brainwashed. This sort of thing happens all the time with them, on almost every issue.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Both are brainwashed, just in different ways. Republicans are wired for fear. Democrats are wired for passivity.

The republican version is a lot more dangerous, but the democrat version is a lot more insidious.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Ive spent a lot of time in the states and i can tell you unequivocally that all americans afe haddwired for fear. You are extremely jumpy and paranoid people when compared to more modern nations.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Fyi, I'm not actually American myself. I agree with you otherwise however.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

I'd like to see these graphs only relating to their opinions on Russia and North Korea from the 1980s, at least, through now.

This is just insane, though. The decoupling from reality is seemingly total.

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