OP appears to be a anti-wage theft advocate, not a potential employee looking for legal advice, based on their post history.
this post was submitted on 07 Mar 2024
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Forward this, along with any relevant contact information to your state's labor board, your state's Attorney General & the Federal Dept of Labor.
It sounds like this job pays monthly, is that correct?
Does the "security deposit" take you below minimum wage for the month (or portion of the month if you start between the 2nd and the 10th)?
If you agree to it and it doesn't take you below minimum wage it might be legal depending on your location. If it goes below minimum wage and you're in the US I'm pretty sure it's illegal. Definitely if you go below federal minimum wage, but if you're somewhere with a higher minimum wage there could be exceptions to the local law this falls under.
It would get more complicated if you're an exempt salaried employee and this takes you below the level where you can be exempt but keeps you above minimum wage for 40hrs/week. They would have to make sure they're in compliance with regulations for hourly workers and I doubt they'd bother with that.
But, as others have said, unless you're desperate don't work for these assholes.
Never had anything like that in the US.
Pretty sure that is wage theft in the United States. But you could only action it if you left early and they refused to give you your wage afaik.
If a company needs byzantine rules around compensation, don't engage. This was a solved problem centuries ago through much more straightforward means, and these casino-like rules only favor the house.
On top of what others are saying, this text does not adequately describe the conditions of resignation and "if you leave". This is also clearly not legal copy which suggests it's not a part of any contract, or is at best paraphrasing the intent of an actual contract of dubious legal standing. Either way, a lawyer would probably have a field day with this.
Also, a resignation can be coerced by giving you a false choice, usually to the tune of "sign this or else". Combined with the "you didn't complete your grace period" language, they are more or less incentivized to do this to all but their top performers.
That us a big red flag.
That tells you that people often want to leave that company, and they try to force people to stay. It also speaks volumes about the management culture that rather than entice people to stay they try to make it difficult to leave and punish people for doing so.
Also it's likely illegal - if you work the hours it's your money.
It depends what your situation is - I'd only take that job if absolutely desperate and no choice, and keep searching for something better. I'd write off the half month salary but consider options on making complaints to get the money after I had something better lined up.
Even if everything else about the company is fine, I'd be very wary of the management culture long term.
Reminds me of this one place a buddy of mine used to work. They lease the building they operate out of, so that if the workforce decides to organize, they'll just let the lease run out. There's also only one entrance from the shop floor to the management offices, and it's got an armed guard posted at it.
Jesus Christ, did he work in the Gulag?
Close. The company was called Schneider Electric. The only good thing about them is that they offer extremely good healthcare to their employees, what's referred to here in the US as a "Cadillac Plan", because it covers the families of the employees, and it doesn't come out of the employees check.
oh please tell me where this company is so I can call them and tell them they're fucking morons. please
I'd rather apply so I can class action sue them
This is what the kids are calling a βred flagβ.
Also, "very sus".
Fr, fr. No Cap.
must be a shithole country if that's legal.
So most probably the US of A
fuck that company, don't work for free for even one second.
Nope, not legal.
Believe it or not, straight to jail.
Or, that's a paddlin'.
Both applicable. Take your pick.
Very much illegal where I live.
Not to mention, if the company has to implement such practices, it means it has a problem retaining staff.
If it has problems retaining staff and solves it not by addressing the underlying issues but by extortion, why would you work for such a company? Their management is clearly incompetent.
No this is really fucking weird and authoritarian. I'd leave ASAP.
No. It is legal and usual to pay in arrears (you work 2 weeks then get your check a week later) but it's not legal (even here in Florida where workers have few protections) to withhold pay for hours worked. That's wage theft, and it's epidemic in the United States.
What job requires a security deposit?
In certain specific cases when one is working as a contractor, but never an employee, one may be required to put down a security deposit that would be returned upon completion of the contract.
I've had plenty of jobs where you don't get a check for like the first 3 weeks while they setup the payroll system. Or so they say. Frankly, in the modern day, I don't see how it's that hard or takes that long. It should be near instant via an electronic system. Pop my fuckin' info into it and start tracking my hours from day 1.
So apparently, payroll processors will charge you for each TIME you add a new record, rather than each new record added, because they're the ones actually adding you in. So instead, they send batches of new records to add every two or four weeks.
Extremely illegal. Every minute you work must be unconditionally paid in full or they're committing wage theft.
Why does it have to be this complicated? See flow chart for sanity:
Did employee work? Yes -> pay them in full
That's a paddlin'
I don't know about the rest of the world, but it seems like this could be legal in Canada if the employee agrees in writing: https://www.canada.ca/en/employment-social-development/programs/laws-regulations/labour/interpretations-policies/deductions-wages.html
That said, I'd nope the hell out of that contract, legal or not.
No, that's wage theft.
Itβs blatantly illegal, and the fact that they were dumb enough to put it in writing means you have a slam dunk case for your local department of labor. File a complaint, and let the DoL take it from there; The entire department exists to deal with bullshit like this, but they only act on complaints.
Yup, this is highly illegal, and I'll bet as soon as they crack open this company's books, they'll start finding all sorts of OTHER illegal shit. Companies dumb enough to put this in writing are also dumb enough to not stop at committing one crime at a time.
So you work 20 days and get paid 15?
Nope : you work 20 days and get paid 5
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