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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Nah I think both of these are examples of pandering. The Last Samurai is even worse because there was no reason at all for Tom Cruise to be there historically. Yasuke at least was a real samurai and I think if you were to ignore the fact that ubisoft is obviously pandering for publicity and cash his story isn't much different than Will Adams' portrayal in Shogan.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (8 children)

Say what you will about the white savior trope, but wasn't there a historical reason for Tom Cruise's character to be there? Japan was accepting foreign influence and modernization at that time, from what I know of history.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Yeah I was wrong. He's based off of Jules Brunet who was a french officer that trained the Tokugawa samurai in the use of modern weaponry of the time. He sided with the resistance against the emperor of Japan until he was evacuated by a french warship later on when the resistance was defeated. He wasnt a samurai by any means but he was a real guy

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago

Ubisoft didn’t post this

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I hate that nazis glom onto any bad game and ruin the discussion around it.

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Meme of Giancarlo Esposito / Gus adjusting his tie with the caption "You won't buy Assassin's Creed Shadows because you're racist, I won't buy it because Ubisoft games are shit. We're not the same"

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago

I learnt the trope of the "white Savior" thanks to last samurai, and that was eons ago.

This is not a case of double standards, it's plain racism and influencer grifting.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Game seems cool, but it requires a download to play. They don't meet my basic requirements for a game I'd even consider buying.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago (1 children)

"doesn't have to be downloaded" is a basic requirement of a game for you in 2025?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Yep! And it's really surprising to me that so many people are OK with that sort of defective-by-design anti-feature. It's a single player game, why would it have any dependence on networks or servers of any sort?

Not to say that I'm against digital distribution altogether, I think that's a perfectly valid preference w/ pros and cons.

But if you are going to sell the video game on a disc? Shipping a whole playable game seems like a pretty low bar to meet. Most games (that get a physical release) in [current year], for every year that exists so far, don't have a problem managing to do this.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Headline makes it sound Ubisoft posted this, but it doesn‘t look like it.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

That's some grade A vintage racism right there.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

There is a lot of highly critical discourse around the Last Samurai. Not current, because it's not a current movie, but saying that it's "okay" suggests ~~you~~ they haven't looked for criticism.

Also, weary.

Edit: clarity.

Edit2: I have since been made aware by @[email protected] of a different perspective that makes a lot more sense, see comments below.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I think it's wary, not weary. Could go either way, I guess.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Yup, Last Samourai is 22 years old. Back then a lot of social issues have not been widely discussed.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

I recall quite a bit of people taking issue with it. Goes back further with carradine in kung fu. Plenty didn't but same with assasins creed.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 month ago (4 children)

And even then, there were people who were uncomfortable with a narrative of some heroic white dude coming in to save the exotic natives. Just wasn't a very popular opinion.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Lol as good as the production looked even as a white dude I kind of cracked up at Tommy in that role.

The Last Shogun appears to have the same thing going but idk I havn't watched it yet.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

I'm not sure if The Last Shogun is something different, but if you're referring to the Shogun series recently adapted by FX, I can say having watched it that it features a main character who fancies himself a superior white savior, but ultimately leads to realizing how completely out of his depth he is.

But it's like the Memoir of a Geisha problem: since the original work was written by a white dude anyways, how much value does it have as a cultural work?

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

It was the main reason why I never ended up watching that film.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yeah but it was the other side of the spectrum. It weren’t right wing racist who were mad but SJWs who didn’t see the movie and don’t understand that the word Samurai in the title is plural not singular.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

Oh you're saying that this is about right wingers who think the Last Samurai is okay (while Ass Creed isn't).

... That... makes sense. Huh. I hadn't seen it that way.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Save the natives?

Doesn’t the movie end with them all dying?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

That's presumably the beginnings of an awareness of why that narrative is problematic. And also of the importance of historic accuracy. His role in the narrative was that of a saviour though. (Also, he survives.)

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