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I’ve been noticing an unsettling trend in the 3D printing world: more and more printer manufacturers are locking down their devices with proprietary firmware, cloud-based software, and other anti-consumer restrictions. Despite this, they still receive glowing reviews, even from tech-savvy communities.

Back in the day, 3D printing was all about open-source hardware, modding, and user control. Now, it feels like we’re heading towards the same path as smartphones and other consumer tech—walled gardens, forced online accounts, and limited third-party compatibility. Some companies even prevent users from using alternative slicers or modifying firmware without jumping through hoops.

My question is: Has 3D printing gone too mainstream? Are newer users simply unaware (or uninterested) in the dangers of locked-down ecosystems? Have we lost the awareness of FOSS (Free and Open-Source Software) and user freedom that once defined this space?

I’d love to hear thoughts from the community. Do you think this is just a phase, or are we stuck on this trajectory? What can we do to push back against enshitification before it’s too late?

(Transparency Note: I wrote this text myself, but since English is not my first language, I used LLM to refine some formulations. The core content and ideas are entirely my own.)

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I own a BambuLab A1M as I want a printer that just works. And while yes it is all proprietary they do sell replacement parts for most parts.

While I will not forgive them for their latest moves I am quite happy, I turn it on, load an stl into BambuStudio and let it run without any issues at all.

My next printer will however probably be a prusa as they are Europeans and I love that they keep everything up to the user so far. But I can not deal with anything that is more DIY than a Prusa, it is a tool for my hobby...not the hobby itself.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

they do sell replacement parts for most parts.

If you can't replace all of the parts with some other off the shelf part, regardless of quality, then you're locked to a brand and are at their mercy.

What happens when they inevitably discontinue the A1M and no longer sell parts for it?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

That will be a shitty day. But the alternative is that they don't sell replacement parts at all. To be fair we don't even know how they treat discontinued products as all their printers are still in production.

Still my point stands, Bambu printers simply just work, I took my 15-20 minutes to set up and it did run flawlessly since then with only the maintenance the printer asks me to do. I can understand why people like that. This would be possible by opensourcing everything but somehow except for Prusa there is noone else who strikes that balance between ease of use and openness.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago

I have a Bambu P1S with an AMS after years of using a Ender 3 that was modified to high heavens both on hardware and on firmware level. It is a perfectly fine product and the AMS makes filament changes so much easier, it is a convenience that I personally love. My P1S is running in LAN mode and it works perfectly fine in combination with OrcaSlicer on my Linux machine. No data is send to the Bambu Cloud, everything is local.

Would I like the possibility to have a custom firmware on it? Sure, I always like options. But to be honest: My P1S runs better, smother, faster then my Ender 3 with his many mods and custom firmware ever did.

Is Bambu on my list of manufacturers for another printer purchase? Yes, but near the end after their anti consumer behavior lately.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (6 children)

Despite this, they still receive glowing reviews, even from tech-savvy communities.

I mean, most people don't care. How often do you see mainstream smartphone reviewers making a single mention of the insane amount of bloatware and spyware on phones, or calling out Apple for their unrepairable devices? Shit just blows over eventually and consumers accept it for what it is. 3D printers are not exempt from this mentality.

Jeff Geerling made a video today about how he bought a dishwasher that was top-rated by ~~RTINGS~~ Consumer Reports with no mention of the fact that in order to make it do a God damn thing, you have to connect it to the app, create an account, and connect it to them OEM's cloud.

Several years ago I bought a DJI action cam and it was the same thing. You can't do jack shit with it without connecting it to an app and creating an account. I watched dozens of reviews and this was never mentioned. I returned it but I'm sure 99.9% either don't give a fuck or accepted it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Just wanted to mention, it was top by consumer reports. I don't think he mentioned RTHINGs but could have missed that.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago

Edited, thanks

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I think 3D-Printers have just this DIY image for me and that's why i thought the general 3D-Printer user is more tech-savvy and aware.

If they would tell me that my ESP32 needs cloud connection to use them i would be furious to.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

The industry is evolving. It happens in every industry eventually. When any one OEM corners a sufficient market size (like Bambu), they start taking freedom from the user to lock them into their ecosystem. Then all the other OEMs go "well if they're doing it I guess we can do it too". This is what you see trickle down from Apple all the time: headphone jacks, glued together devices, soldered RAM, and most recently unhinged RAM and storage prices, etc.

It's what you see in the smart home industry as well. A dozen different brands with zero interoperability because none of them want to compete on a level playing field, they all just want to lock you into their ecosystem.

It didn't seem to work for Bambu but they will back down and then try it again in another 12 months or make smaller changes. They just boiled the frog too quickly.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Apple's RAM/storage prices have been unhinged for a long time. I try to avoid any upgrades when I buy their products, it's usually better to get the higher model - I.e. with better processor/better product line (which usually has a better starting RAM/storage), than to upgrade a base model

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

yeah but it's only relatively recently that other OEMs are adopting these pricing strategies.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Do you mean having a lot higher margins on upgrades? I don't think that's true either, but maybe they've been getting more aggressive on that front over time.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago
  • this is what going mainstream looks like. Greedy people see profit and they get in.
  • greedy people are often sneaky, and they work to take all the can from open and close it in : Apple, Later Redhat
  • there are tons of Open Open printers out there
  • Open has a problem - it's hard to maintain ignorance and get the benefit. It requires work - you can't just easily trade dollars for someone else's labor. You have to learn and put things together to really enjoy.
  • What can you do?
    • This is hard, almost impossible: Don't do business with people you suspect or know are cruddy. Even if they say they have what you want.

    • Learn how to build the printer you want. Hire a good person to learn and do it for you.

    • Buy a printer from a company that pledges to do right. Even if it costs more.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Holy shit. There is so much gatekeeping here that Cerberus themselves would say "Yo dog, take it down a notch"

I think there are two big aspects to this.

The first is that, yes, we are seeing a big push toward locked down ecosystems. Bambu is a great example of this and people are still falling all over each other to talk about how amazing their products are. And, as someone who has been pointing out that AMSes don't actually do what people think they do for years now, it has been frustrating to watch them take over the cultural zeitgeist even before the current bullshit.

Which leads into the second aspect. FDM printing is very much a "prosumer" hobby. It is about taking industrial/corporate processes and marketing them to hobbyists. Some of that is awesome because it provides a platform to rapidly prototype and iterate on new tech (which benefits the companies more than the users but...) and some of that is miserable because it means we have astroturfing campaigns out there to explain to people why they NEED 24 AMSes chained together for their single printer... because that model works a lot better for print farms.

And, as an aside before I get to the "real" point: We see the same with home cooking. There was a MASSIVE push that everyone should sous vide everything for a couple years. And.. that was mostly because we had restaurant chefs talking to The Masses without a Food Network/PBS producer telling them to shut up. So OBVIOUSLY the best steak you will ever eat is the one that spent 11 hours in a hot water bath and was quickly seared to be plated in under 5 minutes. Rather than the understanding that this is a crutch used because a line cook can't spend 10 minutes butter basting their steak.

And most of that still is incredibly obnoxious and outright wasteful. But it also led to people like J Kenji Lopez-Alt who used that to popularize "reverse sear" cooking.

So, now to the real point. People are gate keeping mother fuckers. They are angry that they had to read twelve different articles to figure out what "the paper trick" was rather than having a printer having an automatic tool that kind of gets you... probably closer than you would have gotten anyway. And countless other pain points that were resolved because... they were pain points.

And people decide THEY are heroes and legends rather than realizing that people like Naomi Wu et al came before them and got it to the point where it was learnable for the hobbyist sickos.

Which... not to shit on the OP TOO much (I would not be surprised if this came out of the LLM pass) but it is why I more than side eye anything that has "Make them great (again)". Because, invariably, it is a case of people yearning for a time that never actually existed where they are on top and everyone bows before them.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

I just want a printer that doesn't require you to upload your gcode to their cloud server before getting permission from them to print.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I just want to make clear, im not against printers which are accessible, i think i myself didn't had enough different devices to call myself an expert of any kind.

I would just wish that it would be news worthy if you need to use a specific slicer(specially if near all of those proprietary slicers are only made for windows) to make full use of your printer or some clarification that all your prints will be send to the cloud before they reach your printer.

Im much less a 3D-Printing-Purist then a privacy advocate. I wish that this type of behavior by manufacturers will be out-called - never-mind if it is a 3D-Printer, your Dishwasher or any other "Smart Device".

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Some people want to 3d print for a hobby, while some want 3d printers as a hobby. You are the second type, while out of the box printers are for the first type.

Personally what kept me away from 3d printing my own terrain for miniature wargames is that I don't have time for another hobby. I just can't be bothered with endless fiddling with settings, temperatures, speed, and all that. But I understand your feelings

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

I'm also a builder for tabletop, and if you're still interested in 3d printing some what take a look at tesin printers. They have different trade-offs than FDM (filament) printers, but mine has been very reliable without any tinkering. It's really nice for printing stl's from online (I don't model anything myself).

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Btw most would rather read your own writing rather an ai. When my students edit with ai it’s typically pretty obvious and I think it wastes everyone’s time. Also, foreign students frequently write much better than the native English ones at my school, idk why. I bet your writing is better than you think :)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I know, i just had issues to put all my thoughts together in a way that it is still readable/understandable so i gave the AI a try. In the end, it didn't really change that much but gave it some structure and nicer wording.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Do whatever is most comfortable for you :) My opinion!

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Free systems were expensive, hard to use, and had worse finish

Bambu came, made a better [proprietary] product

People obviously bought it

Then other manufacturers saw that they could sell proprietary products just as well and jumped into the bandwagon

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

I love DIY.

At home, I run and build DIY printers but you can't deploy them in a business/production. Why? As soon as there is a printer that isn't it just works with easy (and documented) maintance procedures the business needs to hire not only a worker but a worker who knows 3D printers. That's bad.

Printers like the Sovol SV08 and Biqu AMS (still not launched) aren't just there yet.

Combined with the BambuLab pricing on the A1 mini and P1S it is pretty difficult to buy FOSS.

Prusa is close with the Core 1 but they don't have an good AMS package for their printers (their MMU lacks a enclosure/easy to deploy setup). They propably know it but don't have the answer avaible.

Equally on the econmics side it is difficult: The BambuLab P1S killed the (FOSS) market.

If I compare a 1150€ BambuLab X1C against the 1350€ Prusa Core One I would likley prefer the Prusa product/ecosystem. With the P1S it suddently is 700€ compared to 1350€ for a machine that will produce the exact same parts with a near identical cycletime, uptime and opperating/maintance cost. The decission in favor of BambuLab is easy.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

False dichotomy. There are plenty of printers that are pro-sumer and also have great documentation and are easy to use and maintain.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Name one that is competitive to the BambuLab P1S combo.

Keep in mind that the operator is an average Joe, who knows nothing about 3D-printers, with minimal training on the job to do the maintenance.

Competitive (explicitly) includes cost: If I need to pay $2k for a printer that works just as well as an $800 option it is not feasible (for a business) to spend this much more.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I could but I'm going to assume that you already know and will simply disagree.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Tell me.

Looked last week into it and concluded that BamubLab is still the best option.

Runner up was Creality. They are equally proprietary these days.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

How is Creality equally proprietary? I can put mainsail or fluidd on the machine and use any slicer I so choose.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

So your suggestion would have been the Creality K2 or K1C?

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

Open source is a major boon for process automation in a print farm. I also wouldn't trust ANY cloud platform with anything remotely sensitive, like product development prototypes.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

This. The proprietary 3d printers arent the "enshitification" of 3d printers, they're what's finally going to make them go "mainstream".

Tech people need to remember how deep into these hobbies we really are, especially compared to "normies".

Its like with computers, people go "oh well you can get a better bang for your buck on your memory by not going with apple!". Which sounds great and everything until you remember that people don't know what memory is or what it does, let alone how to buy new memory, or how to disassemble a computer, or where the memory goes, or even why more memory can be good for you.

I compare it to fabric crafts because I don't know shit about them. I know (well, think) fabric is sold in bolts and that's about it. Hell I don't even know how much a bolt is, and we haven't even gotten to the different types of fabrics or ways to utilize them.

The vast majority of people don't want a 3d printer hobby, they just want to 3d print stuff. And the Bambu printers are as close to that as I've seen so far.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago

The vast majority of people don't want a 3d printer hobby, they just want to 3d print stuff

Exactly, I like to design things and be able to manufacture them at home. I have absolutely no interest in thinkering with hardware (especially dangerous one like a 3D printer)

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