Does all EV require travel destination for battery preconditioning ? If so EV have kind of spying as a feature.
this post was submitted on 23 Mar 2025
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I wouldn't even consider buying a car because of their policy around car play. Won't even look at it.
Why can't it just work like a dock for any device? Why does it have to be carplay or android auto with locked down protocols?
Because of ✨capitalism✨.
It's an anticompetitive practice, that's why.
Why would you want an infotainment system in your car? I don't get it. All I want when I'm driving is navigation and music/podcast, and I can just use my phone for both
Guess what device Apple CarPlay uses for all its features.
Bought a 2015 mustang and had to upgrade the Sync2 to Sync3 for about $1300. That’s when CarPlay was capable with Sync3. Made the car a thousand times better.
Slightly related. Wtf happened to the Apple CarPlay 2.0 thing that was supposed to fully integrate into the center console and digital dashboard screens that would allow the in-built UI to be overridden completely?
From an engineer at one of the legacy car manufacturers, they don’t want CarPlay 2 because it has privacy controls. They don’t want to give up so much access to the car, then have to access it over Apple APIs limited by privacy controls
I came to this conclusion shortly after posting this. Thanks for the confirmation.
Possibly the fact many customers don't want it. According to three Apple CarPlay site:
With digital car keys and the already seamless experience of Apple CarPlay, there are more ways than ever to take your iPhone on the road. With car keys, you can unlock and start your car with iPhone. And CarPlay gives you the ability to safely use what you love about your iPhone while you drive.
I don't have an iPhone, so from all the marketing blurbs, it's pretty much saying "Spend a ton of extra money for something you can never use." I'll pass on spending $1000+ on that useless"upgrade". And since Apple is notorious about locking iThings to Apple only hardware (or just not having full functionality when they do allow it), I doubt I'm alone in this thought.
Interesting pov. Thanks for sharing!
Manufacturers are contemplating how to win back control over the UI of their vehicles. They remain completely oblivious to why CarPlay succeeded in the first place.
https://www.astonmartin.com/en-us/models/db12
I think, it is in this car
That settles it then, I'm getting an Aston (like I needed more reasons to lust after them haha).
Just put it on the card. Oh that one is maxed? Put it on this one. Oh that too? Okay then use this card. Same thing huh? Well try this one here. Oh th-
I discovered a simple upgrade for the infotainment systems in most cars. The screens work perfectly well with either suction or adhesive-mount phone holders.
Even the shittiest phone is a major upgrade compared to any built-in infotainment system.
I ran into this with my 2013 Kia Sorento ICE (which was subsequently totalled. :( )
When you replace the on-board infotainment system, there's an interoperability package that has to be installed to make sure the existing functions of the vehicle continue to work.
Think of it like a translation layer, everything on the dashboard that went through the old system, has to be hooked up to the new system. Also complicated by steering wheel controls.
When it was all said and done, I had the full array of cameras that I wanted (turn signal cameras are amazing!) and everything worked...
Except the one little button that changed the interior lighting. It was forever stuck on red.
Now, for an EV, it's essential everything work properly. I can totally see GM shutting that down.
This is kind of like the complaint about EVs not having AM radios... yeah, there's a reason for that!
https://www.autosinnovate.org/posts/blog/not-cheap-a-3.8-billion-fix-for-am-radio-in-evs
In their case they're using a variant of Google for automotive, so enabling apple carplay and android auto is literally a checkbox on GM side
They're doing extra work to disable it because they want to render the car worthless when after a few years when the os is outdated and the user doesn't pay a subscription for maps
Putting your vehicle main control inside the head unit is absurd to begin with.
Right, not sure why the steering wheel controls would even come into play. Android auto and Apple car play units from 2014 that I bought can directly accept the industry standard steering wheel controls cars use. I was able to use this stereo in a Honda from 06 and a Subaru from 2015. There are also wireless adapters for cars that didn’t have the feature from the factory. If it broke it was a conscious decision.
I got the head unit changed in my Subaru . In the Subaru, the systems that the Head Unit controls (entertainment system, backup cam, Sat NAV) are totally separate from critical systems. So everything the head unit controls can fail and the car will still work.
And you're right, there's an interface/translation layer . In my case the guy used an iDataLink Maestro. It seems the only thing the iDataLink company does provide interfaces that allow head units to talk to car computers, so that the Head unit manufacturers don't have to bother.
I'm not sure such separation is common in EVs.
IMO cars that have their own infotainment system should also allow Android Auto and Apple CarPlay. Give the user a choice. Collect metrics about how many people use Android Auto / CarPlay vs the native infotainment system. Maybe survey people who use Android Auto or CarPlay often to see what they think is missing from the native infotainment system. Iterate. Get people to use the native infotainment because it's better, not because you force them to.
I've got a BMW iX and the in-built map is very good, but I like knowing that I can switch to Android Auto if I encounter issues with it.
Yeah but if you allow people to choose, you can't force them to use your apps and buy within your walled garden.
You're missing out on all that revenue.
That's true and I hate it. I miss the older days of the internet when protocols were mostly open and people were more focused on collaboration and interoperability.