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Sounds like maybe Trump did know something about Project 2025 after all...

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 6 days ago (2 children)

And some will still say he had nothing to do with it

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 days ago (2 children)

And those “some” are dumb as fuck.

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[–] [email protected] 139 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (22 children)

Democrats when they win an election: Wahhhh we dont have a congressional majority :c

Republicans when they win an election: FUCK LEGAL PRECEDENT I AM MORE POWERFUL THEN THE COURTS AND GOD, I WILL MURDER ANYONE WHO GETS IN MY WAY

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Milton Mayer. They thought they were free. I would recommend this book. It documented everyday Germans who joined the Nazis. I see pretty much every single parallel to America today. We’re all the same people. Nothing exceptional about the US. We’re all susceptible.

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[–] [email protected] 69 points 6 days ago (16 children)

Why are the American people so …weak?

In another month, Americans will have non ability to mobilize and fight the Dictatorship that is almost fully installed.

Meanwhile, Americans upvote FB crap thinking that does something.

Losers. All of them.

Talking for decades about how special they are. How free. How they stand against tyranny.

Laugh My Fucking Ass Off!

Heil Trump.

Americans are ENEMIES of freedom now.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 6 days ago

By all means, explain to me how Americans are supposed to fight against decades of wrong-think being bought and paid for by the richest people alive.

America is in the situation we're in because money is power and those with the most of it decided to slowly take over this country. If 90% of the people here could unify, they still wouldn't have the resources of the 30 billionaires controlling their tech and media narrative.

You better have a good answer of what to do when this happens again because based on the world wide rise of this kind of disinformation, it's only a matter of time before it happens to your country too. Assuming your safe is the only short sighted thing America did in this situation.

So I wouldn't be delighting in the strength these enemies showed in defeating the US, because it's just a matter of time before they come for you next. And if the US didn't stop them, you better be learning how.

Because this evil isn't localized to the US.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 days ago

Weak? Does this stuff just get fixed overnight?

No. It hasn't. Ever.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

Why are the American people so …weak?
In another month, Americans will have non ability to mobilize and fight the Dictatorship that is almost fully installed.

The exact same thing happened in Germany in 1933. This is the exact same playbook: way too many people are willing to accept a little fascism because the fascist promises to drop the price of groceries and target groups of people they don't belong to. Then the fascist doesn't drop the price of groceries and turns against those who supported him - by which point, it's too late.

What you've just discovered is that today's Americans as just as dumb as the Germans of 92 years ago - dumber in fact, because they knew what happened in Nazi Germany, an advantage the Germans who trusted Hitler didn't have.

The Americans should've known better, and yet they voted the orange fascist in. Plus ca change...

[–] [email protected] 20 points 6 days ago (2 children)

It’s hard to know if the American people actually elected t. There’s a video of him admitting that he rigged the election.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago

I've never been a stolen election person, but there's no doubt they stole this election. The richest man in the world decided he wants trump to win, so that's what happened. Elon is doing the same thing in other countries, so the assholes that are hating on every American better take heed because it's coming soon to a government near you.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Also, even with him and fElon rigging the election, he still lost the popular vote, and they definitely engaged in enough voter suppression to rig the vote that way.

https://sdvoice.info/trump-lost-vote-suppression-won-here-are-the-numbers/

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 days ago

That too. So the question becomes why the d’s aren’t doing anything about this, why their strategy hasn’t changed. They keep talking about the next election as if it’ll be the answer. At this point I’ll be surprised if t or an r (if t dies) doesn’t win the next election.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 days ago

We were much dumber than we thought. Now Trump attacks what's left of our already-troubled education system.

[–] [email protected] 77 points 6 days ago (3 children)

The problem is, I don’t show up to work because I’m protesting, my child loses their home. And THAT’s why countries are pushing birth rates . I’d love to be out there, doing something, like I spent summers protesting shit George Bush was doing, or during trumps first term. But I don’t know how to do it now without losing everything.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I do empathise, but if you guys don't stop this, your kids are going to be in a worse situation than homelessness. Everyone there is, and us outside the US are also going to be fucked because america is so powerful globally and everything so intertwined. Nazi Germany was a hard enough fight, but military technology was less advanced then, to say nothing of nukes...

The problem is that this shit gets entrenched, normalised and harder to fight, as time goes on. Think how much unimaginably awful stuff has already happened - you think they're done? By the time it's bad enough you're ready to fight no matter what, any kind of resistance will be illegal and very difficult. Will you be on the streets protesting when they threaten you with putting you in a labour camp for life with no trial? Then what's gonna happen to your kids? Fight while you can.

Your kids will grow up not remembering a different world, propagandised at school/ mandatory youth activities and probably fighting for the system you despise. This has all happened before in countries which became authoritarian/fascist, and you can also read/watch 1984.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

They’ve been raising the heat in the pot for decades. Some of us have been paying attention, but we typically get called “sensationalist” or “alarmist”. They’ve started calling us “an tea fuh” and “unAmerican” now. Camps will probably come at some point.

Incrementalism was the death knell of this country. We’re just hearing the death rattle now.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 6 days ago

They already are sending people to camps - the ones in el Salvador. Trump is now threatening to send the americans vandalising teslas there. He often signals his actions beforehand with the social media rants, probably so his handlers can get a read on public opinion (especially of MAGA) before he does anything, while he's still got plausible deniability and can say he was trolling, which MAGA also loves.

People need to get out on the streets, make massive protests, make a freedom movement. Maybe make it fun like they did in the 60's, make it a huge street party which lasts for days with music, dancing, food, people drop in and out as they can, tents and share accommodation and child care.

It doesnt matter what the MAGA cult says, they're all delusional. You can't argue with someone like that. They want to believe it, so no evidence can convince them otherwise. There are more of you than of them. When MAGA starts losing, they'll leave it, quietly.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 days ago

Man in the 2000s it was straight up "Extremist", "Traitor", "snowflake."

That's what so frustrating to see what OP said. That, plus gerrymandering, citizens United, and voter suppression. The GOP has been dismantling the Republic for longer than I've been alive.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Honestly... Education and social engineering. The majority of the folks here read at a 6th grade level. Their comprehension of complex social situations is nill. They can't fathom the difference between a million and a billion. Those numbers get tossed around so easily and commonly that it just washes over them like they mean nothing.

Our information flow is controlled. All sources of common easily found news comes from 4 or 5 oligarchs.

The boomer generation is the "soft men" generation. They hit the sweet spot for money generation, freak sex with no consequences, drug use with out worry of dying, housing that cost a lot, but was obtainable on a single salary and an education system that was paid for by the 90% tax in the Ulta wealthy and corporations.

The shining beacon on the hill, the USA that the WW1 and WW2 generations built was slowly destroyed by elected officials who were being paid by the wealthy and corporations.

All of that manipulation accelerated when citizens United was passed.

So now we have a generation of folks that have never had to fight in a war on their own soil. A belief system that we are better than everyone else and that our checks and balances will hold against a coordinated effort to dismantle the government. And a population that only cares if their teams win...

So it'll probably take 15 years before we get our heads out of our asses unless something drastic happens to collectively wake us all up. :/

Hopefully all that makes sense... I'm on mobile and I don't have my glasses. Haha

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

A belief system that we are better than everyone else

I agree with much of what you've said, but I honestly think this is one point that is behind the downfall. America is basically apathy and hubris - no need to do anything because "we're #1".

Even though personally people are suffering, Americans still don't do anything in a large scale to fix the situation and actively vote against their interests.

I think the only thing that will save the US is what is happening now, things get REALLY bad, and hopefully a rebellion that rises up and cuts out the rot.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

You should stop using Gmail and OSX.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I've been checking this site on and off from Europe for about a month. Can someone who knows more than me explain the expected timeline for what remains?

I feel like it jumped up into the mid 30%s after only a month or so and then stagnated for weeks.

Now it seems to have jumped again. But I guess I’m wondering at what sort of percentage does everything go to shit (not that it isn't already!). Are there points where there is a no turning back or civil war becomes inevitable, etc.? Or does it hit a certain percentage where it will jump to 100% overnight due to certain protections being removed.

I guess I’m struggling to wrap my head around what I’m seeing, what it looks like between 40% and 100% and how quickly this might happen?

Even a guide somewhere on the net that breaks it down would be great.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Fucked but still naively going about day to day life. Most people aren't being actively harmed so they are sticking their head in the sand. Vague rumours of atrocities being committed on vulnerable people. Not us though. Vague unease. Some people can see something should be done but they're looking around, waiting for someone to come and tell them what they should do. More in the line of 'what organisation can I donate $50 to, so that this unpleasantness will go away? That's all they've known all their lives, so they're desperately clinging onto their naivety.

Some people see the writing on the wall and target tesla, since apparently most americans in 2025 won't get out onto the streets and protest, won't stick their necks out even that far. Others go to the 'politics of hope' meetings and trust in the law and what is now really just tradition of law to save them. Oh and the democrats, who've been stripped of almost all political power but are still expected to swoop in and spank trump's ass, restore a facade of decency.

It happens by increments so that each addition or subtraction doesn't seem much worse than the last. Noone can tell you exactly when you're going to lose the right to protest... To do anything to fight the loss of democracy, to fight the loss of your rights. It will happen, unless it's stopped. Trump and the creators of project 2025 aren't going to stop unless they're stopped.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I think the hesitancy on protests is that they’ve been wholly ineffective in the last decade of fighting against trump.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 days ago (2 children)

You don't know that. Maybe the protests were the reason trump wasn't as bad during the last presidency as he is now. He's not a god, only a single man. He can't actually do whatever he wants, only what he has the opportunity to do.

He's nothing if not an opportunist so he's going to push and push in every shitty direction, so you have to push back and back like Sisyphus pushing the boulder up the hill, because the alternative is unthinkable.

But hey, you can have a protest which is at least partly a party with friends, music, dancing, hope, community, fucking light. Not like their miserable hate filled lie-fests.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

It's early 1933 right now. The nazis were elected, they've set the dismantling of the state into motion, and most of their opponents still think that the rule of law is technically still valid. It'll just take time for the courts to do their thing.

The next step will be the Reichstag fire. So it might look like not a lot is getting worse for a few months, then one morning you might wake up, the news are talking about a terror attack allegedly done by an illegal immigrant, and any remaining pretense of democracy is simply wiped away by another "Executive Order" declaring an emergency, giving ICE authority to deal with "citizens aiding criminal aliens", deputizing thousands into ICE, ...

[–] [email protected] 163 points 1 week ago (5 children)

the part that pisses me off the most about this is that the democrats all read the thrice-damned playbook.

Like. WHY THE FUCK DO THEY NOT HAVE A PLAN?!

oh. that and the fucking nazis are winning.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago

The Dems are following the plan because they are complicit.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago

Oh, they have a plan. It's in the half-dozen fundraising texts I get every day. Trump is clearly good for democrats' business and it makes me sick.

[–] [email protected] 73 points 6 days ago (8 children)

That’s genuinely the most sanity-destroying part of this for me.

They made a playbook years ago. They said they made it. The posted it openly on the internet years ago. They said they’d follow the playbook. They’re now following the playbook. They’re continuing to follow the playbook. They are completing entire sections of the playbook, according to what was written in the playbook. They will continue to follow the playbook.

This is not a surprise. You are not allowed to be surprised by this. Fucking stop it.

And yet: all the Democratic leadership and rank-and-file - save for a very small handful of progressives - are all in a constant state of shock and surprise. What the absolute fuck. How. HOW.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 days ago (5 children)

Democrats aren't revolutionaries. They're legislators. Most of them didn't sign up for this but for normal work.

It does mean we have the wrong people in office when we need fighters, but I don't see how you can throw all the blame on them.

They're the ones who are afraid of going to Gitmo, assuming they aren't otherwise disappeared.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

What will it take to supplant them and take control of the party or delegitimize them as a viable 2nd party in the awful two party system and replace the party with something progressive that represents workers other than more of the same?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago

I don't see a voting way out of this, sadly.

So if it's a revolution, and we win, we then get to institute different rules that don't lead to the inevitable two party domination.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I hate to be that guy, but do you or they really think that’s gonna stop them?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago

No. The people are going to have to do it. Or the military, but that rarely ends well for anyone.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

What plan? Democrats and Republicans are just two different interfaces for a single government cast of the USA owners. They don't care. They won't be fired or something. Democrats will continue to get high position roles. All is good for them.

It is bad only for you, common American peon.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 6 days ago (2 children)

If you think the collapse of the American government is only bad for America, that’s a dumb take. Surely the oligarchy is to blame.

The plan to take it down was in place for a long time: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics

But it will definitely harm millions of non-americans, and empower far-right groups globally, and likely ignite WWIII, perhaps before or after an internal civil war.

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