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[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 days ago (1 children)

This aligns exactly with what I expect is the real truth. I have doubts there's any actual killswitch because that'd be dumb - but a constant devouring of proprietary parts is absolutely the case.

I maintain that what actually happened is an airforce general bragged to Trump about how every F35 sold means decades of political dependence and service fees that would act like a kill switch to keep our allies in line and Trump heard the words kill switch and just ran with that.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yeah, what's easier?

  1. Developing a kill switch that can't be discovered and used against the States... somehow
  2. Not servicing parts.

Probably 2.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago

Yup! Also, Chinese intelligence work is insane - the chances that America could keep a kill switch out of Chinese hands is so vanishingly thin that anyone with a brain would prefer that such a kill switch didn't exist so it couldn't be used against the US.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

Even if there isn't right now only an idiot would buy these things given how the US treats its former allies. Only Russia should have any at this point.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

It doesn't have a kill switch

Yeah it's more like a life support plug.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Oops, turns out your purchased 100 million dollar jet aircraft is uh, reliant on DRM to function, guess you should have read the fine print.

If you have any complaints, please contact our support line at 1800FUCKYOU.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Soon enough we will be torrenting cracked F35 software from TPB.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

The US is gaslighting us.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

lmao it absolutely has kill switches. And I all but guarantee they go beyond the already onerous ecosystem and software demands.

I'd wager some of the kill switches go below software and are hardwired in at the chip level.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Are you implying a massive company would collaborate with a government to build hidden backdoors into its computer hardware?!

Pshaw!

That would never happen.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

thanks for the link backing this up! I read about it in a book but got lazy and didn't want to try to hunt down a source lol.

[–] [email protected] 75 points 2 days ago (2 children)

WaaS - War as a Service. Your subscription to peace is expiring soon.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago

Reminds me of horizon zero dawn.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 days ago

I mean guys, stop freaking out. What possible could go wrong if we enshitify global geopolitics?

God, I'm so disgusted now. I never actually connected those two dots. F'ing Donald is turning into a mobster-netflix mash up demanding subscription fees or he'll break your legs.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Long before Musk's true character became widely known, this was my primary reason not to get a Tesla. In fact, Tesla's focus on proprietary software and post-purchase access to vehicles marked the sharp end to my favorable opinion of both him and the company.

Back when he was selling his EV vision and struggling to get the roadster into production, it hadn't even occurred to me that someone with such ambitions would build a closed platform. It would just be so out of line with the values supposedly driving him.

Nowadays I think my best shot at getting the sort of EV I want is either doing my own conversion or finding some small operation producing kit cars. But I need a truck or at least something that can haul heavy trailer loads up long hills.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

There is no kill switch, but there is a button we can press to disable it...

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 days ago (2 children)

We should hack together a Canadian solution. The Canadian way is to replace the software with the one the Royal Canadian Navy was going to use for their warships, but planes and jets will be classified as upsidedown submarines with wheels capable of 500 knots.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago (2 children)

You know you’ll end up putting skates on it.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago

Make the weapons bolt-action.

[–] [email protected] 105 points 2 days ago (3 children)

“There is no killswitch” is exactly what I would expect the person who installed a killswitch to say.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

"You see, there is no kill switch, but you do have to install this software license that expires every tree months. That's so we know you paid for the required service updates and software support."

"But if you don't give a license, the plane doesn't fly!"

"Well, yes, but we can't shut it down remotely so it's technically not a kill switch."

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago

Trust me bro... Just buy it, what can go wrong

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[–] [email protected] 60 points 2 days ago (1 children)

There is no kill switch for the F-35, but the JPO’s statement points to the very real problems with the weapons system. In its own words, the jet “operates under well-established agreements,” its strength “lies in its global partnership,” and JPO “[remains] committed to providing all users with the full functionality and support they require.” In other words, the F-35 doesn’t fly unless JPO helps you, but don’t worry because it’s committed to helping.

The F-35 may not have a “kill switch” in the traditional sense, but the countries who bought it are locked into an irrevocable pact with Lockheed Martin and America. ALIS/ ODIN might not be able to turn off the F-35 remotely, but losing access to it can make it impossible to fly.

Only one country has escaped the F-35 software and logistics trap while still being able to fly the jet: Israel. The IDF’s contract for the jet allows it to operate its own software systems without ALIS/ ODIN and conduct its own maintenance.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 2 days ago (5 children)

I don't understand how Israel gets to be so special. I also don't get how any other nation would accept anything less, especially once the deal with Israel proved it (politically) can be done. Technical feasibility shouldn't even be in question.

Well, I guess it's nice that militaries get to "own nothing and be happy" too.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 days ago (12 children)

It's actually a very telling carve-out, and I have no idea what it's doing so far down in the article. It should have been front and center.

The only two logical conclusions I can see are:

  • Israel is so sharp with their negotiation that they spotted and fought for something that it just didn't occur to anyone else would be something worth worrying about (possible, I guess.)
  • We already know that Israel is fucked without us, F-35s or no, so there's no particular reason we would need to separately ensure that their F-35s are fucked without us.

I very much suspect that it's the second one. Which indicates that the lock-in was an intentional decision, and one that actually would make quite a bit of sense on reflection.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Israel has a very strong lobby here because the US is their only source of strength. Spain or France don’t have that kind of lobby because they aren’t entirely dependent on the US for survival.

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