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[–] [email protected] 15 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

'The F-35 may not have a “kill switch” in the traditional sense, but the countries who bought it are locked into an irrevocable pact with Lockheed Martin and America. ALIS/ ODIN might not be able to turn off the F-35 remotely, but losing access to it can make it impossible to fly.

Only one country has escaped the F-35 software and logistics trap while still being able to fly the jet: Israel. The IDF’s contract for the jet allows it to operate its own software systems without ALIS/ ODIN and conduct its own maintenance.'

So apparently only Israel can operate these planes without their weird DRM.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 18 hours ago

How do they lock the systems out so much that it's so difficult to reverse engineer something to make the mechanics work? I guess you wouldn't want to try and fly something to test new software but surely ground testing is possible?

[–] [email protected] -5 points 23 hours ago

Hey now. To my knowledge, Teslas do not fall apart in the rain.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)
[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Honest question because I don't know: I thought the US could only afford F35 development and purchasing cost because its supply chain was internationalized.

If all the world would suddenly decide to stop working on F35, and stopped supplying parts, wouldn't the US fleet also disintegrate after some time?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The vast majority of the F-35 construction is actually done inside the US, and that's required for security requirements for things like this.

Now a bunch of countries (Canada, UK, Netherlands, and some others) did contribute to the development of the F-35 but I want to say it was only around ~10% of the total cost. And that also went towards the purchase price of their first block of airframes.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 18 hours ago

UK alone was 10%.

There are components made by the international partners

https://simpleflying.com/how-many-international-parts-us-f-35-fighter-jet/

I sincerely doubt any other than the UKs aren't easily replaceable by the US and for the UK piece BAE has US sites all of whom I'm sure have at the very least full access to the specs.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

They’re absolutely right in that regard—technically, it’s more of a Deadman Switch.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

"Pentagon denies"

Lol

[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Honestly, it doesn't matter if it's possible or not. The very fact that key replacement parts of the jet can only be built in the US means that the very moment they chose not to sell those parts to Canada, the F35 is on a strict time limit before becoming the world's most expensive paperweight.

And that time limit isn't even very long. Maybe two years of normal use outside of a war, as little as a month or two during a war or any sort of foreign deployment.

We're kinda locked in for the first few planes, but despite cancellation fees, we need to replace our aging fleet with something from someone that won't throw a tantrum and erase a key component of our national defense with the swipe of a pen.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

During the 1960s, the Australian Army bought the Swedish 84mm Carl Gustaf rocket launchers. It was believed perfect for bunker busting. However, Sweden refused to sell us the necessary munitions because we wanted them for the Vietnam War.

If you don't own the supply chain, you don't own the weapon system.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's actually pretty badass of Sweden...

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Not arguing that it wasn't. Perhaps we shouldn't have bought shit we couldn't use?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Did it seem as though I was trying to argue with you?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

No, you took a rhetorical statement literally.

I was conceding your point.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

Open source everything!!

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I really don't want to live in the times where you have to fork "OpenJet" to protect your freedom from religion, then build your copy in your garage, but we might get to that point...

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

OpenJet

LOL what year is it, 2036? How have you not moved on to "warplane" like the rest of us?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

Yeah, idk, I couldn't stand that they dropped the modular missile mount due to the disagreement with the OpenNuclear folks

[–] [email protected] 1 points 22 hours ago

I swear my fork, OpenDirigible is the way to go

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

I mean, having a few of the plane is going to be handy... it's rare that your enemies will sell you their equipment to dissect, normally you have to capture it

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

and it has ultra poor flight time such that maintenance, and part replacements, are ultra frequent. Wouldn't surprise me if 3 flights is a maximum without Lockheed consultant required word.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Killswitch, definitely not.

The ability to upload a software patch that bricks the plane, maybe. The critical question will be whether the owner of the F-35 can control (i.e. block) software updates, and also whether there's a software backdoor to allow access in.

I'd give it better than a 50% chance of being accessible.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 day ago (1 children)

"The Pentagon Denies" means absolutely nothing. Their president lies 1000 times a day, and denies all kinds of wrongdoing where there are objective facts contradicting him.

Americans cannot be trusted, especially not when we are talking about military equipment that we may need to use to defend ourselves FROM THEM!

Just buy from the EU.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Just buy from the EU.

Yes, but...
The same could happen the the EU, as with any foreign power.
It's unlikely as the EU is fundamentally built differently. But it could, no doubt a country that wanted to push through their adjenda by exploiting loopholes that haven't been discovered/exploited because of "decorum" could still happen.

Buy source-provided.
So, you get everything you need to maintain the platform with the purchase cost.
If you want updates and improvements, they have additional cost.
Like so many software licencing models. 1 year of updates - except it's source provided.
It's more expensive, but you get what you pay for.
Renew your licence every year for another year.
Stop paying? You get to use the EJ69 fighter jet platform as it was in 2019 for as long as you can manufacture parts for it.

Or you could buy the cloud-hosted fighter jets. And risk the off-switch. But it's less upfront cost, higher long-term cost

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