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I really like the convenience of using fingerprint unlock for lockscreen and password manager. I do however don't like the thought of being forced to unlock both physically.

I use Android with GrapheneOS.

I have set up lockdown, but it takes some time to hold the power button and then click lockdown.

Any creative solutions?

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago

Disable biometrics.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

Ether way the new American government will threaten you with your family's death until you gave them the password

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

On stock android you can use one factor to unlock the main profile, such as pin

And a second factor to unlock the work profile such as fingerprint.

This way any app in the work profile has two factor protection.

As others have mentioned GOS let's you specify two factor unlocking. https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/18585-2-factor-fingerprint-unlock-feature-is-now-fully-implemented/

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago

Don't use biometrics, they are less secure because the code is your finger or face and not a password in your head

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Just don't setup the biometrics. It's convenient for you, but also anyone wanting to get in your phone. Just stick to passwords.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Since you're on grapheneos you could always set up the 2 factor unlock when using biometrics. You would then unlock your phone using fingerprint and a pin. This way even if you're forced to unlock the device they'd still need your secondary pin to unlock. The pin can be much shorter than your main password so its still fast to unlock.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

Wow ty , had mine off for unlocking screen since i got this phone , wasnt visible until i turned on unlock with fingerprint :)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

wow I've been waiting for this feature on smartphones.... feels like been waiting for centuries!

thank you for bringing this up!

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Its built in in GOS. And duress pin as well. Best middleground for security, you can still use fingerprint for apps.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

In stock android 15 it looks like this.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Seems it found its way there as well then. Think it was a GOS thing on 14

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

How long does lockdown take for you?
It takes me less than 2 seconds (i checked).

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

As others have said, the most secure option is to not use biometrics.

However an app like private lock might be a decent compromise

Edit: I just noticed that private lock seems to not have a new release in a few years and should probably be considered orphaned. So I might recommend ParanoidsPal-PrivacyLock instead

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Requirements - Device admin permission for locking screen.

Does this mean it requires root access (which brings additional security concerns) or just that a non-restricted user needs to set it up?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It doesn't require root. Device admin is different.

I currently run this app on android 15 without root and it runs very well. However I just noticed that it seems to not have a new release in a few years and should probably be considered orphaned. So I might recommend ParanoidsPal-PrivacyLock instead.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Good to know, thanks!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I use Paranoid's Pal, a similar app. It's great. In addition to locking in response to motion, I have it set to automatically lock the phone a few minutes after the screen turns off.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (3 children)

automatically lock the phone a few minutes after the screen turns off

Isn't the default behaviour of phones to lock as soon as the screen turns off?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

You can set your phone to do that, of course, but I prefer not to have to unlock mine when I've just used it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Im not an android dev but I think the difference here is it's a secure lock. Which means that encryption is engaged and requires the decryption string to unlock which means that biometrics are not asked for.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Mine doesn't.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

This also seems nice. I'll probably test this one as well. I like the lock after x amount of time feature. The pictures have max 15 minutes, so that might be too little, but maybe it'll work

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Isn't this basically the same as Android's theft detection lock?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

I am running stock Android and have no idea what that is. But this forces your phone to use your none biometrics unlock after it senses acceleration.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

Great app, just installed it. The default amount of movement is perfect. Now it's really easy to prevent being physically forced to unlock, and theft

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Just... dont use biometrics for device unlock?? You can still use it for apps separate from device unlock

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Of course I can do this, but that is a major inconvenience when I unlock my phone hundreds of times per day.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

Welp. A small inconvenience is the price to pay if you want privacy from the authorities.

I keep telling friends and family to switch browsers, switch text messengers, even switch social networks and they just complain that it's all just inconveniences. But then they complain about their privacy.

C'mon.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 month ago (2 children)

If you care about privacy, don’t use biometrics.

It is sad because it is less convenient, but that’s what’s up.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Graphene can do both at the same time: fingerprint+password/pin as the second factor. This won't stop someone from holding you at gunpoint, but at least it would stop cops (in some cases)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It does? How do you set it up?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Under Fingerprint Unlock -> Second Factor Pin

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Not showing up for me, did they only add it recently?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

And then the fingerprint scan fails 😵

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Yeah just don't use biometrics.

Odds of me getting arrested or stopped and interrogated and involuntary made to unlock my phone are near zero, but I still use a pattern to unlock. IMO pattern is most secure, because it cant easily be described verbally like a pincode, and it gets harder to do the more confused I am, so smacking me round the head or isolation and sleep deprivation would not improve my chances of accidentally describing the pattern. Note that I'm not an activist, criminal, reporter or political adversary, and I live in a very safe and democratic country so the likelihood of these things happening is very slim, but I still put a big emphasis on opsec when it comes to my technology.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

patterns and pins can be watched over shoulder though.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago (2 children)

A French scientist en route to a conference in Texas was detained upon his arrival at the airport, his phone unlocked and the poor bloke was sent hone without his phone and his computer because apparently he had written bad things about the current president on social media...

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

I heard of many recent border stories, but this one really sounds like an oppressive regime.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago

always lockdown your phone when going through customs. Take backups of your electronics before going to hostile countries, or consider bringing an old phone as a burner.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I heard somewhere that authorities can't ask you for a PIN but can ask you for a pattern because of the way the law is written.

I'd love for someone to confirm that though.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

Oh they can ask, but in certain conditions, my memory gets really bad...

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