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In the piece — titled "Can You Fool a Self Driving Car?" — Rober found that a Tesla car on Autopilot was fooled by a Wile E. Coyote-style wall painted to look like the road ahead of it, with the electric vehicle plowing right through it instead of stopping.

The footage was damning enough, with slow-motion clips showing the car not only crashing through the styrofoam wall but also a mannequin of a child. The Tesla was also fooled by simulated rain and fog.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago (8 children)

The bar set for self-driving cars: Can it recognize and respond correctly to a deliberate optical illusion?

The bar set for humans: https://youtu.be/ks11nuGGupI

For the record, I do want the bar for self-driving safety to be high. I also want human drivers to be better... Because even not-entirely-safe self-driving cars may still be safer than humans at a certain point.

Also, fuck Tesla.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago

Of course they are, they're cultists. The Elon boot licker and MAGA Venn diagram is a circle.

[–] [email protected] 98 points 2 months ago (14 children)

Painted wall? That's high tech shit.

I got a Tesla from my work before Elon went full Reich 3, and try this:

  • break on bridge shadows on the highway
  • start wipers on shadows, but not on rain
  • break on cars parked on the roadside if there's a bend in the road
  • disengage autopilot and break when driving towards the sun
  • change set speed at highway crossings because fuck the guy behind me, right?
  • engage emergency break if a bike waits to cross at the side of the road

To which I'll add:

  • moldy frunk (short for fucking trunk, I guess?), no ventilation whatsoever, water comes in, water stays in
  • pay attention noises for fuck-all reasons masking my podcasts and forcing me to rewind
  • the fucking cabin camera nanny - which I admittedly disabled with some chewing gum
  • the worst mp3 player known to man, the original Winamp was light years ahead - won't index, won't search, will reload USB and lose its place with almost every car start
  • bonkers UI with no integration with Android or Apple - I'm playing podcasts via low rate Bluetooth codecs, at least it doesn't matter much for voice
  • unusable airco in auto mode, insists on blowing cold air in your face

Say what you want about European cars, at least they got usability and integration right. As did most of the auto industry. Fuck Tesla, never again. Bunch of Steve Jobs wannabes.

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[–] [email protected] 51 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Tesla cars are stupid tech. As the cars that use lidar demonstrated, this is a solved problem. There don’t have to be self driving cars that run over kids. They just refuse to integrate the solution for no discernible reason, which I’m assuming is really just “Elon said so.”

[–] [email protected] 49 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's even worse than that. Not only is it a solved problem, but Tesla had it solved (or closer to solved, anyway) and then intentionally regressed on the technology as a cost cutting measure. All the while making a limp-wristed attempt to spin the removal of key sensor hardware -- first the radar and later the ultrasonic proximity sensors -- as a "safety" initiative.

There isn't a shovel anywhere in the world big enough for that pile of bullshit.

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[–] [email protected] 443 points 2 months ago (8 children)

Notice how they're mad at the video and not the car, manufacturer, or the CEO. It's a huge safety issue yet they'd rather defend a brand that obviously doesn't even care about their safety. Like, nobody is gonna give you a medal for being loyal to a brand.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 2 months ago (10 children)

The styrofoam wall had a pre-cut hole to weaken it, and some people are using it as a gotcha proving the video was faked. It would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic.

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[–] [email protected] 167 points 2 months ago (11 children)

These people haven't found any individual self identity.

An attack on the brand is an attack on them. Reminds me of the people who made Stars Wars their meaning and crumbled when a certain trilogy didn't hold up.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 2 months ago (3 children)

The term you are looking for is “external locus of identity”. And, yes.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago

And an attack on the stocks they bought

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[–] [email protected] 192 points 2 months ago (15 children)

I wondered how the hell it managed to fool LIDAR, well...

The stunt was meant to demonstrate the shortcomings of relying entirely on cameras — rather than the LIDAR and radar systems used by brands and autonomous vehicle makers other than Tesla.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

I see you didn't catch just how dumb teslas are. If it wouldn't result in actual human harm I would have liked to paint one of these.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

More like liedar! /s

[–] [email protected] 73 points 2 months ago (1 children)

They used to have it but Elmo removed it years ago as a cost cutting move.

Now they’re the only self driving car that drives into immovable objects.

You might remember a few years ago a guy got decapitated when his Model S drove straight into the side of a semi trailer.

[–] [email protected] 52 points 2 months ago

To be clear, Elon Musk removed radar from Tesla vehicles and not Lidar, but a) he had it removed even from vehicles that had the hardware for radar and b) radar would have been enough to pass all the tests in the video anyway.

[–] [email protected] 134 points 2 months ago (8 children)

The tl;dr here is that Elon said that humans have eyes and they work, and eyes are like cameras, so use cameras instead of expensive LIDAR. Dick fully inside car door for the slam.

[–] [email protected] 57 points 2 months ago (4 children)

I thlamed my penith in the car door

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[–] [email protected] 164 points 2 months ago

If I could pass one law, requiring multiple redundant scanning tech on anything autonomous large enough to hurt me might be it.

I occasionally go to our warehouses which have robotic arms, autonomous fork lifts, etc. All of those have far more saftey features than a self driving Tesla, and they aren't in public.

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[–] [email protected] 54 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Meep meep!

What do you expect when the company is run by a loony toon?

[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Please do not besmirch the good name of Looney Tunes.

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