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In the piece — titled "Can You Fool a Self Driving Car?" — Rober found that a Tesla car on Autopilot was fooled by a Wile E. Coyote-style wall painted to look like the road ahead of it, with the electric vehicle plowing right through it instead of stopping.

The footage was damning enough, with slow-motion clips showing the car not only crashing through the styrofoam wall but also a mannequin of a child. The Tesla was also fooled by simulated rain and fog.

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[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 28 points 2 months ago (5 children)

inb4 musk bricks his car remotely

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[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 117 points 2 months ago (20 children)

Why would a car that expensive not have a LiDAR sensor?

[–] 50MYT@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago

The supplier he was using couldn't supply lidar fast enough, and it was at risk of slowing his manufacturing.

So he worked in a way to not need it, and tell everyone this solution was superior.

[–] FrChazzz@lemm.ee 23 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (5 children)

Read about this somewhere. Iirc, Elon felt cameras were better than LiDAR at a time when that was kinda true, but the technology improved considerably in the interim and he pridefully refuses to admit he needs to adapt. [Edit: I had hastily read the referenced article and am incorrect here; link to accurate statements is linked in a reply below.]

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 3 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Couldn't he just use both... Like LiDAR as a contingency

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[–] blady_blah@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago (5 children)

He didn't think they were better. He thought Tesla could get away without the more expensive lidar. Basically "humans can drive with just vision, that should be enough for an autonomous vehicle also." Basically he did it because lidar is more expensive.

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[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 57 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Elon felt cameras were better than LiDAR at a time when that was kinda true,

that was never true

[–] FrChazzz@lemm.ee 51 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Found the article! I had breezed through the thing. I was incorrect about the LiDAR/camera thing. Instead it was: ‘Elon even admitted that “very high-resolution radars would be better than pure vision”, but he claimed that “such a radar does not exist”’

He, of course was incorrect and proven incorrect, but ‘the problem is that Musk has taken such a strong stance against [LiDARs] for so long that now that they have improved immensely and reduced in prices, he still can’t admit that he was wrong and use them.’

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[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 48 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I don't even understand that logic. Use both. Even if one is significantly better than the other, they each have different weaknesses and can mitigate for each other.

[–] NewOldGuard@lemmy.ml 38 points 2 months ago (2 children)

It was always just to save money and pad the profit margins

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 8 points 2 months ago (2 children)

A LiDAR sensor couldn't add more than a few hundred to a car, surely

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[–] perviouslyiner@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

props to the LiDAR car for trying to drive through that heavy rain - does it just have enough resolution to see through the droplets to determine that there isn't a solid object within braking distance?

EDIT: actually maybe it didn't, and just stopped when it realised that it couldn't see through the water?

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[–] ABetterTomorrow@lemm.ee 3 points 2 months ago

Sounds like they are mad at them selves and not realize it. Think it though people.

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