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[–] [email protected] -5 points 8 months ago (2 children)

UBI is interesting but I find that if you’re a free market traditional capitalist, its existence (as well as welfare) is kind of a distortion of market functions. The US in general seems reticent to collectivism as a concept, otherwise welfare and SS would not be looked at as a “I paid for this” entitlement. Now, the real question to ask politicians is if income inequality is a problem? I’d wager many in private would say no.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (3 children)

People having access to basic necessities is a distortion of market functions, so such the markets. The economy is supposed to work for us, not the other way around, so I really couldn't care less if it's distorted in ways that benefit ordinary people.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I'm a Lifelong Republican and I LOVE how the Republican Party is a CHAMPION for the Working Class! Money is NOT a Birthright unless you're already super rich and then it's OK to suck at the Government's Teat!

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Is money required to deal with Republicans ?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

Yes but not much if it’s in Rubles.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

They do realize all that UBI eventually filters up to their capitalist overlords.

They are not that dumb. (Tuberville nonwithstanding)

They just like to fuel the culture wars, and to divide and conquer.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

Always has been

[–] [email protected] 73 points 8 months ago (3 children)

If you aren’t desperate, they can’t exploit you

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Iowa has been dealing with automation and outsourcing problems for a long time. I’m surprised that the farming families aren’t asking for UBI. Considering how farming subsidies have been in place for decades it wouldn’t even be a big stretch.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

You might want to look up how many tax subsidies and federal programs the farmers are protected by. They don't want anyone else to get a piece of that pie.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 8 months ago

How do you live in Louisiana and not realize your government hates you

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago

Social security for all!

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Of course it is. But only if you have rich parents.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago

This reminds me of arguing with a coworker once. I was saying we essentially have basic income for the wealthy. If you have a million dollars, you can turn that into ~$45k year with just high yield savings accounts. No risk. It's insured.

He was like, "But they're taking risks with their money so that's not the same." I was like, "No risk. It's insured."

He was like, "But that money is being used on stuff. The bank invests it to start businesses." I was like, "If you just give money to poor people, they will spend it, and support businesses, and in better ways." But then we had to stop talking about it because we were at a work event. I think he started to reject the premise that poor people buying groceries is better for the economy than a bank investing in Snapcat (it's snapchat, for cats!), or whatever.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 8 months ago (1 children)

'Is money a birthright now?'

Only for some. Or are we outlawing inheritances as well?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago

Rich Republicans and their useful idiots: vampire hissing sound DEATH TAX! additional hissing

[–] [email protected] 18 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Please, ban it. I dare you. When other states introduce UBI, watch people across the political spectrum leave for greener pastures.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Except for the poor, who don't have the money to move, and who need it the most.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

Yeah there's several states I'd move to if I could move my job there and I already had guaranteed affordable housing.

Unfortunately neither of those things are ever likely to be true, certainly not at the same time. I can't afford to move.

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[–] [email protected] 60 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Survival is a birthright you absolute fucking vultures. We made money a requirement for that.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 8 months ago (2 children)

And it's not like you can screw off into the forest to live a self-sufficient life either, because I'm pretty sure that's illegal in most places in the world. If the forest isn't already devoid of resources due to human activity that is.

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[–] [email protected] 121 points 8 months ago (2 children)

If they don’t want money to be a birthright they should make it so money isn’t necessary to stay alive

[–] [email protected] 18 points 8 months ago (8 children)

I'm sure the average Republican would say being alive isn't a birthright either.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 8 months ago

Unless you’re an embryo.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Hmm, that could definitely be phrased more powerfully.

  • If they don't want money to be a birthright, then poverty and destitution shouldn't be free?
  • Life's necessities shouldn't be paywalled if they don't want birthright funds?
  • To oppose money as a birthright is to support survival not being held hostage by financial scarcity?

Or whatever. Idk, I spent too much time on this. It was fun though!

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


In the past year, Arizona, Iowa, South Dakota, Texas, and Wisconsin legislators have introduced bills to ban income programs, arguing they are too costly and could make participants too reliant on the government.

GOP Rep. Lupe Diaz, who authored the bill, specifically attacked a 2022 Phoenix program that gave $1,000 to 1,000 low-income families each month for a year, pulling from federal relief funds.

The Arizona news comes shortly after Iowa GOP state Rep. Steve Holt introduced a bill banning basic-income programs, which he called "socialism on steroids" at a recent hearing.

GBI programs "undercut the dignity in earning a dollar, and they're a one-way ticket to government dependency," Republican state Sen. John Wiik, the bill's sponsor, said at a February committee meeting.

Bettencourt noted that Uplift Harris, which received over 48,000 applications within the first three days, could violate a section of the Texas constitution stating the legislature cannot give counties the authority to grant public money for individual aid.

Ivanna Neri, senior director of partnerships at UpTogether, which partnered with Austin for the pilot, told BI that attempts to ban basic-income projects don't often consider that these programs could have long-term impacts on wealth inequality and could power the economy.


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