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Baldur's Gate 3 and Kingdom Come: Deliverance 2 show that the future of RPGs is in games way more ambitious, weird and unexpected than anything Bethesda and Bioware have to offer (www.pcgamer.com)

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (9 children)

Should I buy Baldurs Gate 3, its extremely expensive still.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (6 children)

Interestingly, Avowed is completely missing from this discussion.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago (3 children)

A very fair point, but alas… for better or worse, the bar has indeed been raised, and last month only proved that. February 2025 saw the release of a new RPG from one of the most beloved studios in the genre, Obsidian Entertainment. Avowed is modest by design, but nonetheless it's polished, accessible, and visually impressive, with a rich story from some of the best writers in the business—and the backing of Microsoft, one of the most influential and well-resourced videogame publishers of all time.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago (3 children)

But BioWare games used to be the top tier gaming company standard for excellence. Bethesda used to release amazingly ambitious titles that were unmatched (albeit buggy!).

Greed outweighs the love of games.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 months ago (4 children)

If you're even remotely interested in Warhammer 40k, the Rogue Trader CRPG is excellent

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2186680/Warhammer_40000_Rogue_Trader/

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago

Owlcat in general, despite their buggy releases, make absolutely ambitious and exciting games that are terrifically well written. Wrath of the Righteous is my favorite CRPG out there, and Rogue Trader is close to that as well.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

I love Rogue Trader so much.

I wish more of the game was like act 2. That's where the game really shines

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[+] [email protected] -14 points 2 months ago (2 children)

This might be a unpopular view but I think games like Elden Ring or Lies of P are a better RPGs. More action packed, less busy/boring missions. I beat BG3 and had fun for the first half of the game, the last half was a bit of a drag. I tried KCD 1 and couldn't get into it, going from one end of the map to another doing mindless tasks. It was more of a middle-age simulator. I put ~250 hours into Elden Ring + DLC and I wanted more by the end of it.

Either way, I have some hope for the future of games.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 months ago (1 children)

So non RPGs are better RPGs? You don't have to like RPGs.

[+] [email protected] -8 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Elden Ring is an RPG, not sure what you're saying.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

An RPG without a story and full focus on gameplay, if you like fighting monsters over and over again it sure is great, but otherwise it lacks alot

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago

Its an action game with RPG like stst systems.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Elden Ring better classified as an action RPG, to use an analog its more akin to PnP dungeon crawlers in how it approaches its RPG elements. While say Baldurs Gate 3 is closer to an extended campaign PnP game. They are both RPGs but that's such a broad grouping so as to be meaningful, an atlatl and a welding torch are both tools but there's no meaningful overlap.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

To quote an old RockPaperShotgun comment about Dark Souls, the best decisions are the ones that you don't know you're making. DS definitely has storyline changes depending on where you go first, what you do and who you speak to, which is far more natural than a two-way dialogue option for "blatant RPG decision making".

The tragedy of Elden Ring is that it's far too long for that. I've played through DS several times and would expect to get it finished in about five hours, so can play through the various plot line resolutions in a long evening of gaming. ER has a variety of ways that the DLC can play out, you say? Best book a fortnight off work so that I can get a hundred hours of gaming in.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I’ve played through DS several times and would expect to get it finished in about five hours

Do you think your experience here is at all the norm?

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

You can complete 90% of everything in one playthrough. Then complete the other parts in NG+ so you're not completely starting over. I believe you only need 2 great runes to face the end boss.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

i don't know that anyone calls them rpgs.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

The article mentions them as action RPGs

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

Which is dumb. Souls games are pretty obviously a branch of metroidvanias.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

wtf

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Kingdom Come Deliverance wasn't even on my radar and now I'm obsessed. The NPCs are so fucking funny

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

If I were in your shoes...

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