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[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

This author should’ve spent digging into the iPhone 12 / 13 mini, and how it was received in Apple communities a few years ago.

That experiment really showed that the small phone demographic is passionate and vocal, but small (no pun intended). Those phones sold well when the small-phone-fans ran out to buy them, but the sales numbers cooled off quick.

Given that Apple is working on a lightweight 17 “air” phone, my guess is that they learned screen size is too important for too many people, but they’re going to see if they can strike a middle ground with weight / pocket fit.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

Because most people want big screens?

I mean, it is simple.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

There are small phones. There's more small phones than big phones. And I have big thumbs so stop whinging about the minority.

Edit: Omg I just lost to clickbait. FUCK.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 weeks ago (13 children)

Because people don't buy them.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

One thing that annoys me with the market at the moment is that the majority of folding phones available are like small crappy tablets that fold into a large, impractical to carry phones, and not large, very usable phones that fold into something much more compact that is easier to carry..

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 weeks ago

I don’t want a small phone, I just want a normal phone that I can use in one of my normal sized hands. I have an iPhone 13 Mini right now and it’s pretty ideal but I know they’ll go end of life one day and there’s nothing to replace it right now.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago

Smaller phones do have a place though. I've got a 7-year old son with Type 1 diabetes. We wears a Glucose Monitor that requires a Bluetooth connection to get a reading. He needs to carry a mobile phone for this reason, and because of his size, and the fact that he needs to carry it basically all the time, a smaller phone is best. He does not need a camera, or to browse social media.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago

We can, there's just less demand for them. Sony was among the last holdouts for small phones with their compact series, but they stopped because they were their worst selling models.

Even Apple stopped selling their small SE model (that was basically iPhone 5 sized) despite it being the cheapest iPhone to get your hands on, because it sold terribly.

Small phones is something the tech community says it cares about, but the market has proven that the average person doesn't care. Same as the headphone jack and microSD slot.

I don't like it either, but phone companies aren't deliberately leaving money on the table. If they thought small phones would sell gangbusters, they'd bring them back.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago

I'd like to have no phone at all, I don't like small screens, nor being interrupted. Problem is that phone apps are now almost obligatory for IDs, transport tickets, passes, banking, etc. So I'd just like a phone-receiver (modem) with a sim card on a USB stick that can enable phone-app-stuff via my laptop or tablet. (Yes some tablets have data sim cards, but we still need sms and occasional phone functions for 'verification' etc.). Any suggestions?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

power usage of screens scales as O(n^2), but battery scales as O(n^3), meaning bigger phones will have better battery life

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago

They can just make them a little thicker, but still usable with one hand.

Really, it's not a technical problem, it's a marketing problem (i.e. not enough demand, unfortunately).

[–] [email protected] -3 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

we can't have small phones because the os design can only be so flexible before it starts either being crap at every size or having so many edge cases that internally it's stupid complex.

having limited sizes means the sizes they do have can be well covered

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 weeks ago

Shit battery capacity, bloated OS causing worse battery life, and not enough people actually buying them.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

there is one option.

well and a couple others that are also made by Unihertz depending on your needs/wants

more companies making them would be cool but the general consensus I'm reading here is that there are 0 and that is incorrect.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I have their old Jelly Pro, awesome tiny phone, replaceable battery, fits easily into any pocket, was my daily driver for a few months, but then again, it's just a bit ... too tiny. Also, battery life sucked, camera quality forget it, speaker not loud enough, low res screen, etc. I'd be curious if they improved on these things with this new version.

Still, one thing is still missing from the specs is 5G support. I mean, 4G is plenty fast, but not very future proof, carriers are starting to shift more towards 5G, 3G is already being phased out, and it's just a matter of time before 4G follows.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

yeah the screen is very small but that's kinda the point for my use case. I didn't want all the limitations of a dumbphone (i.e. I wanted banking apps, gps, useful browser) but I wanted to add friction to my phone use to encourage me to use it less.

battery life is great, lasts me almost 2 days without a charge and will typically go from almost dead to almost full if I plug it in while driving to work. part of the battery life being so good is that I use it less and keep it in grayscale 99% of the time I figure though.

camera is great, it's 48MP the same as an iPhone 14 Pro. the pictures don't look great on the device because of the tiny screen but when I look at them on my computer or the pixel 6 I still use at home they look great.

speaker is pretty awful, it's fine for calls but music, fuhgeddaboudit! I have a Bluetooth clip on speaker that's great and I don't really watch videos on it so non-issue, for me at least.

screen res hasn't bothered me but again that might just be use-case. most of what I do is reading text and it's fine for that esp with high contrast on, looks ugly but again that's friction and I want that.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah, sounds like they improved quite a bit, I might consider it, thanks! Still, lack of 5G means not so future proof

[–] [email protected] -2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Probably for similar reasons we can't go back to small cars: People are getting older and can't handle them.

ETA: Old people need giant text so they can read things. Big screens show more big text. They also don't want to drop down into a small car, so they buy SUVs and trucks. So they make SUVs and trucks and great big screens for the old people who are most of the population.

Source: I am an old person. Except I drive a small car because it's fun

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