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The answer to "what is Firefox?" on Mozilla's FAQ page about its browser used to read:

The Firefox Browser is the only major browser backed by a not-for-profit that doesn’t sell your personal data to advertisers while helping you protect your personal information.

Now it just says:

The Firefox Browser, the only major browser backed by a not-for-profit, helps you protect your personal information.

In other words, Mozilla is no longer willing to commit to not selling your personal data to advertisers.

A related change was also highlighted by mozilla.org commenter jkaelin, who linked direct to the source code for that FAQ page. To answer the question, "is Firefox free?" Moz used to say:

Yep! The Firefox Browser is free. Super free, actually. No hidden costs or anything. You don’t pay anything to use it, and we don’t sell your personal data.

Now it simply reads:

Yep! The Firefox Browser is free. Super free, actually. No hidden costs or anything. You don’t pay anything to use it.

Again, a pledge to not sell people's data has disappeared. Varma insisted this is the result of the fluid definition of “sell” in the context of data sharing and privacy.

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[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 65 points 2 months ago

said Ajit Varma, veep of Firefox Product

Pack up your shit, and get the FUCK out. You're a fucking disgrace.

[–] B0NK3RS@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago

Another year another browser to avoid. It's an endless cycle...

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 3 points 2 months ago

Use their privacy friendly forks.

[–] RejZoR@lemmy.ml 112 points 2 months ago (32 children)

In Firefox, type about:config in address bar, search for "sponsored" and "telemetry" and set all the paremeters you see from TRUE to FALSE. Done.

[–] hersh@literature.cafe 19 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Seems insane that even after disabling all related options in the main settings GUI, there are still like two dozen things enabled in about:config.

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[–] grue@lemmy.world 128 points 2 months ago (10 children)

We shouldn't have to do workarounds like that in the first place. It's getting to be like the Stockholm syndrome people have about Windows abuses. I didn't put up that shit, and I'm not gonna put up with this either.

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 45 points 2 months ago

I'd be more worried about how long that flag is going to work. And how long is it going to take us to realize the flag isn't working.

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[–] duhhhh9@discuss.tchncs.de -2 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Mozilla shares your data under certain circumstances. This helps people realize that Mozilla is able to share your data, regardless of 'selling' potential. Some people assumed 'we dont sell your data' meant 'we dont share your data' when that was impossible for the definition of how some built in features work.

[–] ocean@lemmy.selfhostcat.com 23 points 2 months ago (1 children)

They literally purchased an ad company

[–] duhhhh9@discuss.tchncs.de -1 points 2 months ago

I could give you some very long stories related to this. In the end of it, it comes down to how can they 'sterilize' the avenues of data collection and allow more opt-out scenarios, and more nuanced potentials that would provide comfort in your browsing habits and privacy desires. It remains to be seen how the situation pans out, but this isn't a 100% done with them action. They have opportunities here, and we'll see if their course turns evil or not.

[–] Nougat@fedia.io -3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Just because “some people” can’t words, that doesn’t mean that you should change the words to suit the people who can’t them.

[–] duhhhh9@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 months ago

The premise of 'sharing' and then receiving something from who you shared with IS a form of selling. If Mozilla .never. shared data,,, are you sure you 'can words'?

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[–] Technotica@lemmy.world 29 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Soo... where do we go now? What open source alternative exists that is on the side of its users?

[–] lena@gregtech.eu 55 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Just keep using Firefox. Nothing in the code has changed, and if it does you can switch to forks. You all are evangelizing about how important FOSS is to prevent this exact scenario and yet you keep switching browsers for no need at all.

Note: I love Foss, I just think this is an overreaction

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 18 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Oh sure, but browsers are an entirely different beast.

Eventually, they'll take it closed source, now I know what you're thinking "Then one of the forks will just become the dominant one!"

But here's the thing, the browser engine is very complicated just to keep up with. The W3C spec that all engines must follow is thousands of pages long. So all those forks will wither and die once the engine has been cut off from upstream updates.

None of those forks touch the engine as-is

[–] lena@gregtech.eu -1 points 2 months ago (7 children)

Do tell how something like Zen or Ladybird has a better chance at doing so. It would be better if instead of this fragmentation the Zen and Ladybird would work in a Firefox fork.

how something like Zen

Zen is a Firefox fork.

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[–] TuxEnthusiast@sopuli.xyz 18 points 2 months ago
[–] QuadratureSurfer@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] Rose@lemmy.zip 9 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Depends on where you stand on misogyny and transphobia.

[–] QuadratureSurfer@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago (11 children)

I feel out of the loop on this one. Is there a particular individual on the project that this is about, or is this a company policy issue?

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[–] Dimmer@leminal.space 5 points 2 months ago

Zen Browser

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