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[–] [email protected] 99 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (13 children)

Plastic Recycling is Largely A Myth.

The world produces an average of 430 million metric tons of plastic each year. The United States alone produces tens of millions of tons of plastic waste annually. Yet on average, only about 5 to 6 percent of plastic in the U.S. is recycled.

Basically, the vast majority of plastic either literally cannot be recycled, at all, or would be astoundingly expensive to properly seperate according to it's different types and run through the recycling process.

... So, in most cases, it isn't, and just ends up in a landfill or being directly dumped into nature.

Oil companies have known this for decades, and, as with other issues surrounding pollution ... they've promoted anything that makes an individual feel guilty when they know that even if all individuals followed the suggested course of action, it would have a negligible impact.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 months ago (2 children)

But what if we pass the responsibility down to the consumer instead of dealing with industrial waste that's often more of a matter of cost than practicality?

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

If only seals could understand neil-liberal individualism. Neil has to be a dick or he can't express his nonexistent personality via mindless consumption and/or integrated meaningless gestures to the contrary.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago

Maybe stop killing fish and fish will not die as much

[–] [email protected] 54 points 2 months ago (4 children)

On an unrelated notes, a huge fraction of oceanic microplastics is from car tyres. Driving is a number one source of oceanic microplastic.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Car tyres are also significant contributors to terrestial microplastics and particulate matter!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

Since this is a science community, can I ask what studies directly link these microplastics to the specific adverse affects?

I see a lot of "BPA microplastics are hormone disruptors" and "microplastics found in placentas!" Etc ... ok, but are they the same microplastics in these studies?

It sounds like when everyone puts scarequotes around "chemicals"...

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I never made any claims concerning effects.

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[–] [email protected] 172 points 2 months ago (13 children)

Just FYI:

Single-use plastic products are used once, or for a short period of time, before being thrown away. Under the EU’s rules on single-use plastics, the EU is tackling the 10 single-use plastic items most commonly found on Europe’s beaches and is promoting sustainable alternatives. The 10 items are

Cotton bud sticks 
Cutlery, plates, straws and stirrers 
Balloons and sticks for balloons 
Food containers 
Cups for beverages 
Beverage containers 
Cigarette butts 
Plastic bags 
Packets and wrappers 
Wet wipes and sanitary items 

https://commission.europa.eu/news/less-plastic-waste-means-cleaner-beaches-2024-08-14_en

So yeah, nets are bad, but straws, plastic bags, cigarettes and packages are also a problem.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 months ago (4 children)

It's kind of crazy - those plastic Q-tips are only better if you want to totally wreck your ears and every doctor is warning against that. For every legitimate use, those paper variants work perfectly well

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I think Americans call the q tips

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (5 children)

Yeah but a q-tips here are paper / cotton

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

Unbranded Q-Tip

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Hmm. Perhaps the beaches shouldn't be the prioritized focus for developing alternatives to plastic.

If it's on the beach, it can be picked up. Today, tomorrow or eventually.

I think the plastic that can't be as easily be collected ought to be replaced by alternatives first.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago

If it gets swept up on the shore, it's in the ocean. So it totally makes sense to prevent it from being there.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 months ago (1 children)

If it's on the beach it's been washed up there. The stuff that's washing up can be collected, sure, but that represents a small percentage of the overall amount that there is.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

Excellent point.

[–] [email protected] 70 points 2 months ago (1 children)

People want to pretend just the things that are convenient to them are an issue. They say government and companies need to take action, then complain about actions taken. It's really wild to see.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Not throwing my garbage in the wild makes me have no idea how often straws end up in the ocean, so it seemed like a wild thing to go after.

Any idea if it's people dumping all this stuff in the wild or if it's because we throw it out in our bins that it somehow gets to the ocean?

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 months ago

a lot of single-use items come from fast food places, which people will eat in their cars and then just throw out the window as they drive along.

it's a fucking sad practice but it's really hard to get people to stop doing it, so the next best option is just to make sure as much as possible of the things you get from fast food joints will dissolve in a rain shower.

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[–] [email protected] 144 points 2 months ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Yeah, I simultaneously want to comment that the left panels are a wild fantasy, as I've never seen an actual human say that we should focus on plastic straws. As far as I can tell, that's propaganda put into the world by companies trying to discredit genuine efforts.

But at the same time, it's not even like you have to focus on straws. You can simply not use them, because it is just a stupid concept to produce something that's immediately trash, and then also go and do other things in life. Believe it or not, most activities in life don't involve straws.

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[–] [email protected] 87 points 2 months ago

No, someone else is doing something worse than me so I'm absolved. I can do what I want.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Have they not seen the turtle video?!

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[–] [email protected] 70 points 2 months ago (4 children)

But aside from donating to NGOs dedicated to cleaning up ocean litter, the average person has very little way to reduce the number of plastic nets in the water. It requires lifting fishermen out of poverty, teaching them more sustainable fishing practices, and cracking down on littering, all things that require international cooperation.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago

Or organise a boycott on eating fish.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 2 months ago (18 children)

the average person has very little way to reduce the number of plastic nets in the water

Besides the obvious and 100% viable option of just not eating fish.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago

The average person cannot make the connection between the food they eat and the animal it was. People act so appalled by the torturous conditions in animal farms, and then stop at McDonald's on their lunch break to pick up some chicken nuggets, totally unaware of the irony

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Now I feel better about my weird dietary preferences.

I'm doing my part!

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[–] [email protected] 91 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It requires lifting fishermen out of poverty

Bruh. These aren't 1 dude in a boat with a long line. These are billion dollar corporations running fleets. And yes, we need international cooperation to bring them to heel. Like with farmers, however, make no mistake that the people doing this kind of pollution are at all ignorant or unaware of what they are doing.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 months ago

Even the adrenaline junkies on Deadliest Catch are running multiple million dollar businesses

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