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[–] [email protected] 64 points 2 months ago (8 children)

To go along with the alt right stuff, one of their major donors is Shopify.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

So keen for this.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

I've been testing it out, it's pretty fucking rad.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago

You can compare the WPT test results of many different browsers here. Its surprising to me that Servo lags behind Ladybird in successfully passed WPT tests.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

Totally not related to recent events

[+] [email protected] -52 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Ladybird is a brand-new browser & web engine.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 months ago (2 children)

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Currently there are 3 browsers available and one of them is only available on overpriced disposable hardware.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

If the latter is Safari, then WebKit-based browsers are available for Windows and Unix-likes too.

Actually WebKit is often used in the same role Gecko would be used, until Mozilla decided they don't want alternative browsers on Gecko.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (8 children)

If the latter is Safari, then WebKit-based browsers are available for Windows and Unix-likes too.

Which are? Please list a few current ones that have reasonable backing and at least a mid-size community.

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[–] [email protected] 51 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Congratulations on completely misunderstanding the comic.

Ladybird is not a new standard. It is a new implementation of existing standards. Nobody has to change or adapt anything.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 months ago

That is not the point of making another browser.

[+] [email protected] 43 points 2 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (15 children)

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[–] [email protected] 65 points 2 months ago (17 children)

Looks like a confused Swedish dude that when questioned about his use of English pronouns defaults to not wanting to get political. Is there more besides a misguided decision to avoid relevant political topics?

I think we should chastise people that insist on not getting political, but not necessarily boycott everything they do. Or at least we should apply the same moral demands to Mozilla, Apple, Microsoft or Google when choosing which browsers to support. Which of them is the least bad?

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 months ago (5 children)

ugh transphobia rots people's brains

it's not too hard to just be a decent person ppl

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[+] [email protected] -7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

I didn't know anything about this, but it doesn't sound as bad with context.

edit: Removed link to a site which shouldn’t be receiving more traffic. I should have vetted it more thoroughly.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (9 children)

That blog post is pretty ridiculous, IMO.

You'll see the alt-right do that a lot, for some reason.

There's real criticism, but they always mix it in with some made-up complaints like the slavery thing, which is some of the most obvious sarcasm I have ever seen on the internet, but somehow taken literally by the author of the post.

IDK if he's a transphobe or whatnot, but his reaction to the change in language was indicative of, at the very least---with the most charitable of interpretations---, a disregard for inclusive language and, more realistically, some philosophy that doesn't allow for "others" to participate because the existence of those that aren't male is "political," somehow.

You might not see it, because you haven't seen it enough times to recognize it, but it happens again and again and again... But it's always quiet.

"Don't make this political," "ideology isn't welcome," stuff like that. Statements that sound reasonable, but are only wielded to quiet those aiming for inclusiveness and acceptance of marginalized people.

It might sound like a less-than-generous interpretation, a bit callous and over-zealous, but it's just patterns. I hear wolf, I say wolf.

Also, I thought that article had a really funny passage:

One activist ("cafkafk") seen below, within the GitHub repository for the developer being attacked, celebrating the fact that other activists -- organized on "The Fediverse" -- had arrived to harass the Ladybird developer.

This alone made me think that it might be satire, but I don't think it is... The Fediverse, huh? OK.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Lunduke is an alt-right shithead.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

My mistake. I didn’t look far enough into it. But the accusation was made without context so I didn’t know. I’m not trying to defend him.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago (5 children)

Stay vigilant. Content about "Political correctness gone mad!" is step one of the alt-right pipeline.

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[+] [email protected] 20 points 2 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

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[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 months ago

I don’t know. But rather than just accepting the assertion, I did a cursory search. This turned up and I perused it. I didn’t see anything damning and thought maybe somebody could clarify. I am absolutely not trying to defend anybody, but I didn’t spend much time on it. Sorry folks.

Maybe he is a bad guy. Truly, I didn’t know.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago

Because it is. A quote from the linked page on asahi linux devs leaving twitter because of rising anti trans rhetoric

“"Half of us are trans," he says. Accompanied by a call to "fight back" against an imagined "genocide", assumedly perpetrated by those who do not fully buy into his particular sexual fetish.”

The blogs author purposely misgenders Alyssa Rosensweig and refers to being trans as a sexual fetish, which makes their politics obscenely clear. Further, Alyssa has a resume of amazing accomplishments in reverse engineering the apple m1 and m2 chips and developing graphics drivers for their gpus. Lundukes resume is basically growing up as a nerd and being a “tech blogger” from early in the game and going full qanon a few years ago

Further in the article he references hector Martin saying that people demanding to keep politics out of tech is bullshit because tech is made by humans and anti trans rhetoric is going to kill his colleagues. His response to this:

“Of course nobody is trying to kill Hector's colleagues.

And the vast majority of major corporations -- not to mention the President of the country -- are continually coming out in support of the Trans fetish. So declaring that there is a genocide occuring is beyond ridiculous.”

So that didn’t age well (from less than 2 years ago)

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 months ago (6 children)

Lunduke is definitely right wing and has been for years

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I can't see anything about this on DuckDuckGo. Do you have a link?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (6 children)

“Don’t Be Evil” happily indexing while Bingcrosoft sleeps

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 months ago (3 children)

https://mkultra.monster/tech/2024/07/03/serenityos-and-ladybird

This was a little „write-up“ back when everything became more public.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

I'm surprised this got any kind of attention.

Here's the turn of events from my perspective:

Someone submits a 1-line PR changing the gender used in a code comment
PR rejected on the grounds that the change is "politically motivated"
Submitter got mad, and proposed removing the rule against "politically motivated" changes, calling it "white supremacist," which is closed
Someone wrote a blog post about it

Here's my analysis:

Stupid change - don't make PRs that simply correct an irrelevant typo in a comment somewhere; some people do this to put stuff on a resume (look at how much FOSS work I do!), and it just wastes everyone's time
Stupid response - it should've been rejected because it's a useless change, not because it's "politically motivated"
Stupid proposal - do you really want to waste a bunch of time fighting over wording in a comment? Because that's the kind of crap you get without a rule like this.
This is all about an irrelevant change to a comment? Why is this getting so much attention?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (5 children)

"comments must be accurate," is not a rule you should bend. Bending it even a little leads to last programming and shit code.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

"We don't accept ideologically motivated changes" = White supremacist language... Yeah, sounds about like what I expected...

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago

Thank you for sharing.

[+] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

Someone else posted a writeup about it.

It wasn't in documentation, but a code comment. No user would see this.

One part was a rejected change on the README, which was trying to remove this "white supremacist language":

## On ideologically motivated changes

This is a purely technical project. As such, it is not an appropriate arena to advertise your personal politics or religious beliefs. Any changes that appear ideologically motivated will be rejected.

Someone changing "he" to "they" (original PR that started all this) in a comment as their only change could absolutely be seen as "politically motivated." My understanding is that if changing the comment was part of some larger useful change, it would be fine (as would using "she" or "they" in a new comment), but just changing the gender of a pronoun in a comment is a useless change.

If the comment said "she," would someone have been motivated to make this change? Probably not. Should changing this from "she" to some other pronoun (he or they) also be rejected? Yes, on the same grounds as changing it from "he," it's not a useful change and just wastes everyone's time. If you're in the code already, then go ahead, correct silly language like this if you care to.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago

Freakout? Didn't he just reject?

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[–] [email protected] 366 points 2 months ago (9 children)

Join our Discord server

crying in decentralization efforts

[–] [email protected] 46 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Why always discord.... Why!!!!

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago

What's the worst - Discord doesn't seem to provide any particular convenience over Mumble for voice calls while playing games or anything else. Just being in one app in one place is its advantage.

It's like Telegram, just better quality, worse optimization, more moderation.

[–] [email protected] 124 points 2 months ago (6 children)

The Discord-based "support" makes it a "meh." The main devs alt-right BS makes it a "hard pass."

[–] [email protected] 73 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (16 children)

Lemmy was created by a tankie, many of whose opinions I abhor.

As long as it's FOSS and doesn't inherently promote their beliefs, I will use the software.

I agree it's not great and I'd prefer if it weren't made by imbeciles

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[–] [email protected] 199 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Hell, even worse, crying in the lost information. Discord is a black hole where community knowledge goes to die.

It's the worst.

[–] [email protected] 72 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

I hate it so much, even when I NEED to go there for help and support, I know I'm likely the tenth person to ask the same question. I honestly don't know why so many people love this way of support, just document it!

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

I love it when I see Ladybird come up! ESPECIALLY now with the ongoing enshittification of FF lmao

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago (1 children)

We definitely need more competition in the browser space, I just wish it wasn't using such a permissive license as the BSD.

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[–] [email protected] 71 points 2 months ago

Good, the world is in dire need of competition in this arena.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 months ago

A good breakdown on their progress: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43200604

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