I want electrical buses and trains
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Carsharing with electric cars to help people transition to "car-free" please.
This!! I'm a big fan of carshares, particularly when they're run by nonprofits. I literally wrote about this: https://grist.org/equity/a-simple-way-to-make-electric-cars-more-accessible-share-them/
swap the 2nd and 3rd text and remove the “please don’t buy an ev” because they of course are fine as a transition measure and this is a good post
but this is a bad post otherwise
Misrepresentating talking points does not really help you in starting a good faith discussion or n swaying the opinion of (mis)informed people.
Both are good but one is considerably better than the other.
We (people in general, across the globe) need to reduce the number of cars, regardless of what fuels them. In rural zones for example I do think that public transportation could work way better than it does. (...although coming from a Latin American "X could work better" is always true. Nothing works properly in Latin America.) Then in cities it's the same as above plus making things more walkable, bikeable, etc. Reduce the infrastructure needed for cars and you'll reduce their demand, in a virtuous cycle.
If the leftover is fuelled by greener energy, so the better. But once you reduced the need for cars, the pressure for this is considerably smaller.
Let us not forget that electric cars do have a fair impact on the environment, through lithium mining. Although recent Chinese developments make sodium batteries more viable. And the source of the electricity is also a concern, if you're simply burning coal for electricity you aren't solving the problem, only moving it elsewhere.
Also it's relevant to note that the fuel in combustible cars does not need to be petrol. For example where I live ethanol cars are a thing - sure, they're a wee bit annoying in winter, but they work.
Electric cars are cool and all but you can't have walkable cities and simultaneously store one vehicle per person on their streets
The statement in the meme is "I'm glad electric cars are becoming more popular".
That's not an endorsement of car culture. I think it's obvious to everyone here that fewer cars would be good. That's not in conflict with the central statement.
As with a lot of my responses here, you're only responding within the context of cities, and even more narrowly you're referring to downtown/commercial/recreational areas that need to be walkable.
You're right to say we should have more walkable cities, however it's not a valid argument against electrifying vehicles.
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70% of eu residents live in ”urban clusters”. So I am ”only responding” for 70% of people, a number that will probably rise over time too.
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Not only downtown/commercial/recreational areas need to be walkable. Walkability is good in all areas if possible. It makes everything simpler for everybody.
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I am not arguing against the elcrification of cars, I am arguing for decreasing the number of cars over time simultaneously with elecrification.
Cool, so we're all on the same page
Electric cars do more harm than good long-term. They are green washing at it's finest: legitimising the most harmful form of transportation and postponing the much needed implementation of a car free society
So what should people in areas not serviced by public transport do?
also: public transport should be massively expanded to include most regions and ppl
Agreed 💪
It's not an individual problem so you can't solve it individually. It's a systemic issue
Drive? No one's out here saying rural folks need to stop driving or else. The anti car stance is about reducing driving -- recognizing our over reliance on cars is big problem, more cars is not a solution, and that electric cars placate people into thinking theyre doing something good for the environment ie greenwashing, like what you're doing now.
They're better. They're not good.
They're better! We agree.
Electric bikes are p cool tho 👍
Hell yeah they are, thank you chad
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