The simple reality is that it is not possible to maintain good relations with the US. Donald Trump is an idiot and a fascist whose agenda is driven by his whims as much as anything else. Starmer could bend over backwards to appease His Orange Majesty on every issue and Trump would still fuck the UK just because.
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I can't believe we're betraying Ukraine for no reason.
Oh wait... Actually I can believe it, i knew it was going to happen, and I voted against it.
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I wouldn't say it's just more important, I'd say it's a moral imperative to support Ukraine's fight for it's sovereign land over keeping buddy-buddy with a government running rampant with corruption and Russian puppetry
Agreed. I would rather the UK have fewer allies of a higher moral calibre than play sycophant to a fascist cabal of degenerates.
Not to mention that once Russia is done with Ukraine they're not going to stop. Defending Ukraine is defending Europe.
Exactly. If anyone thinks Russia will stop at Ukraine, they're a fool
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American here: no objections whatsoever. This is the correct answer. Our government is a bag of dicks, and a lot of us hate it too.
American. Ashamed to say that i briefly thought, "maybe zelenaky can save us" - like he doesn't have enough going on! We desperately need for someone strong and charismatic to stand up to orange Jesus!
We had that chance. We picked Biden instead. Now it's "find out" time.
Am American, 1000% agree.
As a Canadian you can't trust anything coming out of the Musk /Trump White House. Us in Canada no longer consider them friends.
They're threatening daily to take Canada by whatever means necessary. That's not an ally, that's a threat. Canada needs to protect itself, and the British people are quite right to back Ukraine. Trump is working with Putin to hand Ukraine to Russia. Russia will not stop its ambitions there and it is a threat to all of Europe.
Yesterday Trump threatened to pull US troops out of Europe if the EU did not agree to his and Putin's plan for Ukraine. It's a very clear threat: give Ukraine to Russia or we give you to Russia. Of course the USA in its current state would not defend Europe anyway. To me it looks like the plan is for Trump to seize Canada, Greenland, Panama, etc., while Putin grabs as much of Europe as he can.
Under these conditions what is NATO? Trump is deliberately destroying it.
So the UK, Canada and Europe need to stand firm against the alliance of the USA, Russia and those European countries that have gone over to fascism. The very existence of our countries is at stake.
And watch out for the far right at home, in the UK, Canada and Europe. Their loyalties do not lie with their countries, and they're being bankrolled and supported by powerful people internationally.
Under these conditions what is NATO?
Already-preexisting integration of most EU armies (and the rest aren't completely out of the loop) as well as Canada Turkey, Norway, and Iceland.
The long and short of it is if the US should bail out of NATO what is left is an absolute behemoth of a force with severe shortcomings in power projection and strategic airlift capacity. The latter only until Ukraine is admitted they have Antonov. Not sure whether we want much power projection but the lift capacity is a shortfall. On the upside we have more than enough stealth subs to stop others from projecting with aircraft carriers.
From the US side, strategically, this is just a self-inflicted wound: There's a couple of US soldiers in Europe as part of tripwire forces, relevant politically but not in combat terms, the rest is there to project force into the middle east. They'd be giving that up, I wonder what Israel thinks of that. The US would not have been capable to do Iraq or Afghanistan without European bases.
British values on display here, it's not even marginal (48% for Ukraine vs 20% for Trump's America).
It's not often I'm proud of my country these days, but this is one of those rare moments.
Agreed. And hopefully our man Kier can stop cosplaying long enough to follow through on more military support.
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As an EU citizen, we want good relations with USA, It's 100% Trump and Musk who are ruining it.
They are literally insane, and USA needs to remove them. Unless they do, I guess we can't be friends anymore.
it's up to whoever comes after trump to mend bridges with europe, it's a waste of diplomatic resources maintaining relations with trumps america
Yes, but it can't wait 4 years, because in 4 years Trump may have transformed USA government to a totalitarian regime.
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As an American, yeah that’s the right choice.
It also needs to be said that you probably can’t remain on good terms with the US, given the current regime and their “negotiation tactics”.
We can only hope that in four years you let us earn your trust back
as an american we want good government but it's the billionaire oligarchs who are ruining it
Only because the people allow it.
I know nobody can change that alone, but USA need to friggin get some graasroot movements going to get real democracy, and elect politicians that don't prioritize only the 1%.
The 2 party system simply doesn't work.
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And misinformation. That's how they get and hold power. Like what happened here in Ohio with the gerrymandering.
Half of the voters voted for Trump, so no thanks, I don't want to have good relations with the US. I want to isolate them as much as possible.
You are right, the problem is very much a widespread attitude in USA.
They need to modernize their democracy, and they need to modernize their interpretation and regulation of what free speech is.
The 2 main reasons USA is as fucked up as it is now, is that the 2 party system undermines democracy, and way too much misinformation is allowed.
You can't build democracy on lies.
I really really hope Americans will wake up soon, and realize this.
I’m an American immigrant in Germany, and I’ve come to realize that most Americans are very naive about government. The US has been very successful in the short time it’s been around as a country, and I don’t think most Americans really realize that it won’t always be like that. At the same time, the education system has been gradually but thoroughly gutted.
I hope we can wake up, but I worry we might need to see for ourselves before we can actually learn. I just hope the rest of the world doesn’t indulge us so long that we take everyone else with us.
Absolutely USA as a country has been a huge success, and I think you are right, that people think that proves the model is good.
But there are many other factors that have helped USA become a success. A huge population with a unified language is one, massive agricultural potential is another. Lot's of natural resources, and oil to kick-start industrialization.
It will be hard to elevate public education much without social reforms. AFAIK USA spend more on public education than many European countries, but results are worse, maybe in part because of poverty.
It's way harder for Children that live in poverty to pay attention to school to the same degree that better off children can. That's been a well known fact for many decades, and USA is doing absolutely diddly about it.
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Only 1/3 of eligible voters voted for Trump. That’s what makes it even worse. 1/3 didn’t even fucking vote.
Half of the people who voted*
Trump got about the same number of votes this time as he did in the previous election (marginally less, I believe).
It makes little difference to point out, but it's good to remember that the Dems are a bunch of feckless corporate shills who lost the support of their voters, and about a third to half the country simply doesn't vote.
Trump is a symptom and the end result of deeply systemic and cultural issues here, and as an American, I hope you guys make it hurt. Maybe then we'll wake up to the problems here. I doubt it, but at least the economic collapse here will hopefully spare the rest of the world from a dementia patient with daddy Putin's leash on his collar swinging the biggest military budget in the world around like he's got something to compensate for.
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Europeans are still clinging to the delusion that Trump is an aberration.
I don’t think anyone has understood this, so let’s see :
Trump is continuing longstanding foreign policy.
He kinda is though. There aren't many presidents that run on a platform of gutting literally everything that can be gutted.
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