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I think it's best to straght ghost them, but I haven't personal had to do that to family-- only family friends. They won't change their views for you, it's really just for your own mental health and a clean cut is so much more satisfying.
It's always probably they'll change on their own eventually and want to reconcile and if that happens, there's always a way to find someone if one tries hard enough. And if he doesn't change? People like that deserve to die alone.
third is basically going on strike from your relatives
Haven’t spoken to my brother in years because of that, and we’re not even Americans or living in America.
I’ve cut off everyone who ever expressed a positive opinion of him.
I pretty much did the same when my dad kept trying to push his politics on me during the last trump presidency. It sucks, but at the end of the day I’m a happier person. Hope they get their shit figured out.
Hope you find the same.
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Not selfish at all.
I've cut so many people from my life. I have a rule. If you exist in my life, and all you do is make me angry, there better be a REASON you're making me angry. Like when I was TRYING to get my dad to accept help from the government a few years back. His roof is failing. It's only getting worse. Our city has a roof replacement program for seniors. Totally free roof. His house is rotting. When it rains outside, it rains inside.
So yeah, I fought him for 2 years trying to get him to take the roof.
Yeah I made him angry, but it's because I care about him. And the fight is about getting him to take care of himself.
Unlike my sister, who will call, just to argue, and fight, with no real reason. I don't answer her calls.
And when I've had "friends" that only care about you when they need something, fuck off. I'm a generous person, who people think they can take advantage of. And I guess they can to a certain extent. I don't mind helping those in need. But there comes a point when you realize "I only see this guy every few months, and only when he has some sob story, and needs something".
THATS when I stop talking to friends. OR when I realize that I'm ALWAYS the one who has to innitiate contact. Like if I just stayed silent, the friendship would just be over. Ok then. Guess you never think about me if I'm not already in your presense. I don't need those people in my life.
No. Fuck Trump supporters. Their toxic hate is a detractor worthy of being cut off. If he can’t see how toxic he is, put him in that position and make him choose. Help him understand the truth of project 2025 and then let him decide if being “a man” is more important than being a father.
Do you allow a gangrenous left foot kill the rest of your body because half your shoes wouldn’t fit anymore? Cut it off don’t look back and I promise you will finally find peace. I did it with parts of my family and after a few years I still don’t regret it.
When I found out my mom voted for Trump the first time, I didn't speak to her for a year. I only did then because she reached out to say she was wrong (a first for her).
When I explained (more like yelled) why I wasn't going to have anything to do with her, I told her in detail how she was betraying everything she raised me to be. She used to sponsor the LGBT club at the school where she worked and I told her she was betraying all those kids she said she cared about.
It isn't a choice between you and Trump. It is a choice between your dad being the type of man he raised you to be, or not.
Speaking as someone who did similar:
You will never be able to make him understand why you're cutting off contact. You may not see that now. Spork knows, I didn't for a few years. But it's true, if you try to explain he will simply try to debate or he'll push you off as immature.
To save your own sanity, all you can do is cut ties completely.
Other people here may offer differing advice. Some of them haven't been through this situation, so they can't know the torment you're going through.
I can only speak from my experience.
Cutting them off was the best thing I did for my mental health. Cutting them off was not easy. I still think of them sometimes, of what might have been. But I'm comfortable with my decision, I'm confident I made the right one. Through plenty of evidence-based psychology, I now understand the reasons.
Getting back to your first question: sometimes, it's good to be selfish for the right reasons. Maintaining your own health and well-being? That's the right reason.
Your father's desire to hurt people is far more selfish than making him discuss something. But if you make him discuss it, he will only act threatened and refuse to see your point of view.
You will only begin to heal once you cut him out of your life. I don't say that lightly.
Again, if someone hasn't lived through a situation like this (and hasn't had to make the same hard decisions), they can't understand. So don't be afraid of the naysayers.
It's about you, you're not doing it to make a point. You're doing it to protect your mental health. Maybe you can approach it from that angle with your father. And if he carries on the way he did then I guess he got a fair warning.
Talk to him. And however that conversation goes if you feel like cutting contact then cut contact. Family or not toxicity sucks. And you, like many other people, can make a new family from friends
We all have the right to establish clear boundaries of behavior we won't tolerate.
You can't force your dad to respect them, but it's not selfish to pull away when he fails to.
I'm sorry you have lost your parent in this way. It's awful.
You should limit interactions for your own mental health. This will be unpopular among the more strident hardliners, and I cannot presume to know your situation. Some, if not most of Trump supporters are woefully misinformed. Cutting them off can make them more defensive and further entrenched.
As time progresses, the cognitive dissonance they are experiencing will become overwhelming and they will need a place to land. We cannot confront this with tough love. Eventually some of them will see Trump for what he is, and only with patience and compassion can we bring them over. The time to take sides will come, and we will need everyone who is willing to help.
My best friend at work is a dyed-in-the-wool conservative. He will never not be - and I rush to profess that he is not an asshole...he just thinks conservitave/republican is the side he needs to support probably because that's what daddy did, dunno. We see eye-eye on most other things.
We do not agree on anything political except that everyone is way too heated up over everything. We are still friends, regardless.
My point in responding is that his gay daughter disconnected from him after Trump v.1 - would not take a call or interact in any way. This is painful for my friend and he has been confused by it but does not realize why his daughter won't engage. I think she is offended that his political choice doesn't allow for her right to exist and, frankly I agree with her.
I think my friend has lost his daughter forever because he is a stubborn man. I hope your dad can open his heart to accept you.
Have you ever explained things to him about his daughters viewpoints? Just tell him "Ya know, (his name), I've been thinking. People with (his hair color) shouldn't have the right to exist. People with (his hair color) are just no good, rotten nasty people! They don't have the right to live on MY planet, breathing MY air! Right? Don't you agree?"
And make it as absurd as actual racism/homophobia is. Make it clear that you hate him for things he was born with, and he now has to pay for being a dirty (color) hair'd person! Don't be shy. Be as hateful as you've seen people like that be.
Then ask him how he feels about you. Get him yelling at you. Get him insulting you. Ruffle his feathers. Smile at every insult he hurls.
And then tell him "What I have just shown to you is a mirror. I have acted as you have acted to your daughter. These are the messages she hears you saying to her. It was hard to hear wasn't it? You didn't want to hear a single further thing out of my mouth. THAT is the same experience that your daughter has when you spew those same messages at her.
YOU are an individual. YOU have the ability to change your views. All I can do is hold up the mirror to show you what version of you you're projecting into the world. Your daughter is an individual, and she has the right to live her life any way she wants. With or without you. If you care, it's up to you to be the version of yourself that she wants in her life. Not the version you try to force into her life."
After that, there's literally nothing more you can do. Slap him with reality, and if he continues to be shitty to his family, he can die alone.
Oh yeah get them angry at you, than they’ll calmly sit by and listen to reason despite never reasoning themself into their belief in the first place.
Just be honest, tell him his choice is for a country that actively hurts his daughter. If he doesn’t hate her, why enable her suffering.
no. the entire personality of a trump supporter is donald trump. cutting yourself off from them at this point is not about politics as far as I'm concerned. it's about morals. these people have shown, as many as two times, that they are cool and support every thing he does and says. that's a moral issue. and cutting out the people who have the same morality as trump is not a you problem.
you can't demand people to change, it has to come from within. you can only talk to them and try to change their point of view. that certainly may not work in this case. your issue is not about if your father can live without you, but if you can live without him. if the answer is yes, then spending less time with him may be better for your mental health. also, you don't need to cut ties immediately completely. you can do that gradually to see if it is the right decision for you.
is it wrong to cut yourself away from nazis?
I’d rather be left than right on that.
No, it's not selfish, although I'm sure that's what he would want you to think. You should do what is best for you.