"It's just a joke! I love it when he triggers the libs like this!" /s
this post was submitted on 19 Feb 2025
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I guarantee they will always find a way to pay homage their golden idol.
Don’t call them Surely, or they’ll deport you for being a woke DEI agent.
America's greatest deed was killing a million Nazis. Killing Nazis is great.
For the government to bring a bunch over in Project Paperclip? I don't think they were ever against fascism; they didn't like Hitler's version because they didn't benefit.
And even then there was significant support for the nazis among influential whites, before they started threatening the territorial integrity of Western nations. The US's principled opposition to fascism has always been a retcon.
Though while I don't like how it completely blinds Americans to the dangers of homegrown fascism, I will say there are much worse stories to base a national mythology on. In that sense it was nice while it lasted. Pretty much the same goes for Russia.
until they voted them into power
In a very real sense, those people do not have beliefs. They think reasons are things you make up based on what you've already concluded. Business snubs their outgroup? 'Well it's their right to blah blah blah vote with your wallet yay capitalism.' Business snubs their ingroup? 'How dare they violate my right to blah blah blah political correctness gone mad.' They decide what they want today and pick plausible justifications.
And in their minds, that's what everyone else is doing.
Nothing they do makes sense without that context. You're never really arguing with them because they don't agree on how arguments work. Their conclusions do not follow a chain of logic from factual claims. You can completely dismantle their arguments, and then... they'll pick new arguments. They're just working backwards from the answer they want. And they think you are, too. Everyone's just shuffling cards. No matter the evidence or the rationale, they're not about to switch sides, because that's what they think hypocrisy is.
Reminding them of their own arguments has no impact, because they don't understand the concept. Neither the concept of saying something without meaning it, nor the concept of logical consistency. They think you're suddenly choosing that argument - because that's all they did.
The whole Alt-Right Playbook series is incredible and necessary, but the more relevant video is arguably Always A Bigger Fish. Specifically for one point:
Conservatives are not failed liberals.
They don't want what liberals want. That's why they don't do what liberals do. We keep assuming we must agree on certain topics - often because they say they believe in things we believe in - but if that were true then their actions would make sense. We wouldn't be constantly baffled by their hypocrisy, asking over and over, 'how can they say X when they do Y?'
The default approach is to point out these contradictions... as if they haven't noticed. As if it will force them to reconcile their rhetoric with their behavior (or vice-versa). That never happens. They don't fucking care. All of their stated ideals are ad-hoc justifications.
Everything for conservatives is in service to hierarchy. Words don't mean anything except to signal loyalty or disloyalty to that hierarchy. They are shibboleths. Ducktalk. They cheer when Their Guy says the sky is blue and boo when Our Guy says the exact same thing. They proclaim themselves "rational" because obviously someone rational would want what they already want, and being smart just means working backwards for clever excuses. This is how reality works, for these people. All of their stated ideals are ad-hoc justifications.
And they think we're the same way.
That's what really connects us, across the aisle. We think they're like us, and when they say they support democracy, we think they mean it. It's why we'd say that. They think we're like them, and when we say we want fair elections, they think we're lying. It's why they'd say that. All of their stated ideals are ad-hoc justifications. They say things we like to hear because it works. It has no predictive value.
In a very real sense, those people do not have beliefs.
Yep! Fascists are nihilists. They want only power in it's most crassly demonstratable form.
Anything they do or say is a ploy for power. Any ally, policy or ideological position is a discardable tool.
I wonder how many conservatives are actually on here. This thread kind of feels like as a large group we stormed into an after school club with like 4 kids in it lol
Basically, yeah. We were never exactly popular here. There's a community on sjw, but who knows how long that will last
The community really only had single digit users who claimed to be "conservative", but checking their profiles showed they were also downvote collectors and trolls. Seems like the admins of lemm.ee decided they no longer wanted this community being a safe haven for trolls and have removed the old mod.
There's like four maybe five of them in this comm. Normally everything is downvoted to hell and back by lemmy at large. Right now the only mod is the admin, so people are taunting the conservatives.
If this surprises you, you're fucking stupid.
Not if he's #theirguy
Could I get the quote/context? I'm out of the loop
(not conservative, I saw this on c/all)
Belief that heirarchy is a natural and just way to organize humans is one of the central cores of conservatism.
Why would they be against a monarchy forming?
Exactly this. Find me a monarchist who isn't socially conservative. Having a person in charge who claims to have all the answers and can fix all your problems (and also may or may not have direct approval from your deity du jour) must be incredibly comforting for a large portion of the population.
It was a prank bro.... Unless..? 👉👈
Are they? In Europe, monarchist people are part of conservatistes. We have a few royalists in France who want to reinstate whomever is the descendant of the lastest royal family.
Cons are fine with it as long as it’s their guy. They mostly just stand for absolutely nothing.
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