If he's actually put to death, he'll become a martyr. Saint Luigi Mangione. If this doesn't spark a revolution, we're fucking toast. I hate this fucking timeline.
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This is so ridiculous. He killed a dude. That's worthy of the death penalty (not in Texas)!? People have done worse to many people, or children, or... and not been sentenced to death.
Even if you're 100% against murder in all circumstances and feel he should be locked up forever, you have to see this is just CEO's exercising their outsized influence to discourage further punishment of the 1% and corporate leaders that prey on Americans...
This is so ridiculous. He killed a dude. That’s worthy of the death penalty (not in Texas)!?
goes looking for the charges
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Brian_Thompson
Charges
Federal
- Using a firearm to commit murder
- Interstate stalking resulting in death
- Stalking through use of interstate facilities resulting in death
- Discharging a firearm that was equipped with a silencer in furtherance of a crime of violence
New York
- First-degree murder in furtherance of terrorism
- Second-degree murder (2 counts)
- Second-degree criminal possession of a weapon (2 counts)
- Third-degree criminal possession of a weapon (4 counts)
- Fourth-degree criminal possession of a weapon
- Second-degree criminal possession of a forged instrument
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cwypvd9kdewo
Mr Mangione is facing 11 state criminal counts in New York, including first-degree murder and murder as a crime of terrorism.
If convicted of all the counts, he would face a mandatory sentence of life in prison without the possibility of parole.
Federal prosecutors have also separately charged Mr Mangione for using a firearm to commit murder and interstate stalking resulting in death. Both charges could make him eligible for the death penalty.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luigi_Mangione
Stalking: Interstate via traveling from Georgia to New York
Stalking: Interstate via use of a cellphone and the Internet
New York State doesn't have capital punishment. So I think that it's the interstate aspect that made it federal jurisdiction and thus a capital crime. Otherwise, he'd just be facing life in prison without possibility of parole.
He should've did whatever Kyle Rittenhouse did.
Be a right winger.
Hard to do that when you're killing a CEO. Right wingers are known more for how badly they want to lick their boots. :/
Wait, how is it two counts of murder? Are CEOs worth double points?
Hmm. That's a good question; I don't know of a legal doctrine that does that. But it's three counts -- one in the first degree, and two in the second degree.
kagis
I can't find someone discussing this case in particular in a quick couple searches, but this does have another case
a policeman who killed a single person
who was charged with multiple counts of murder as well.
This is Illinois state law, but I'd guess that it probably works the same way elsewhere.
https://old.reddit.com/r/Ask_Lawyers/comments/1eiev8h/three_murder_charges_for_killing_one_person/
Hello,
I was reading about the murder of Sonya Massey by an Illinois police officer and saw that he's been charged with three counts of first degree murder. I suppose what confuses me is that there was only one victim. Why do some states apply multiple murder charges when there is only one victim? Intuitively that seems odd.
It's probably three different theories of the crime. The Illinois Murder 1 statute does have 3 theories:
Sec. 9-1. First degree murder.
(a) A person who kills an individual without lawful justification commits first degree murder if, in performing the acts which cause the death:
(1) he or she either intends to kill or do great bodily harm to that individual or another, or knows that such acts will cause death to that individual or another; or
(2) he or she knows that such acts create a strong probability of death or great bodily harm to that individual or another; or
(3) he or she, acting alone or with one or more participants, commits or attempts to commit a forcible felony other than second degree murder, and in the course of or in furtherance of such crime or flight therefrom, he or she or another participant causes the death of a person.
Each theory that the prosecutor thinks applies needs to be charged. (You can't convict someone of something you forgot to charge them with.) They do this in case one theory ends up falling through. Maybe they think it was intentional, but if they can't prove it was intentional, they think they can definitely prove that he knew there was a strong probability of death, and if they can't prove either of those mental states, they think they can still prove that it happened during the commission of a felony. (I don't know the facts of this case so I'm just speaking in generalities/hypotheticals.)
But even if he were convicted of all 3, the counts would merge and the sentence would not be 3x as long.
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I see this as "if I'm going to get the death penalty anyway, might as well take out as many of them as I can."
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Trump, in an executive order: "The Government's most solemn responsibility is to protect its citizens from abhorrent acts, and my Administration will not tolerate efforts to stymie and eviscerate the laws that authorize capital punishment against those who commit horrible acts of violence against American citizens."
Abhorrent acts like denying over 1/4 of healthcare coverage claims? Abhorrent acts like demanding surgeons scrub out and immediately call back the insurer to justify the surgery that they were in the middle of performing?
No, of course not.
By his own decree his 2020 administration should be facing capitol punishment for acts of federal agents in Portland and other cities during peaceful protests over unrest at the time.
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Luigi has become such an icon and crystallized so many frustrations that I'm hopeful his conviction will finally spark the rebellion this country desperately needs. Hopefully in time before it turns into a fully fledged dictatorship - so, pretty soon.
It’s literally been the only light in the world of darkness for over a decade.
I started the Luigi Mangione “documentary” on HBO (I hesitate to call it that instead of what it is, propaganda)…and I didn’t even get 10 minutes into it and they were going on and on about how the UH CEO was such a good family man with so much good potential.
Gag!! 🤮
Also I like your name, you a fan of VEEP?
Thanks! I haven’t ever watched it.
Oh, you gotta see it. It’s hilarious.
Yeah, I’ve heard it’s good. I do need to give it a shot. I’m a big Seinfeld fan, so Dreyfus being the main character is a draw.
Yeah. If you like arrested development too you’ll love it.
Yeah, I do!
VEEP is such a hidden gem. Watch that shit my guy.
Which is funny because everything I’ve heard about him is that he was a huge prick.
I haven’t finished the doc, and I’m not sure I’ll be able to. It’s just offensive intellectually.
That reminds me of when I tried to watch the Hilary Clinton one on Netflix and the intro was just like five minutes of her shit talking Bernie Sanders and his supporters, and then the intro song was a punk song by The Interrupters. I wanted to throw the fuck up.
Omg! I’m glad I missed that one.
Yeah I shut it off after that. It was clear to me that this wasn’t going to be an informative documentary.
Exactly…propaganda sponsored by Netflix.
Also if you’re interested in what the Hilary Clinton one was it’s called Hillary on Netflix and apparently it’s a docuseries. I didn’t get past the first intro theme.
Thanks, but I doubt I’ll try it.
Well the first few minutes is good for a laugh if you want to see what I experienced lol
Yeah Netflix does that more than you’d think. I watched a doc on China once on there that I THINK was a Netflix original (I can’t remember quite) and I’ve read a lot of books on China in my world politics and economics reading club. That doc was a combination of misleading to PURE FICTION at times that was branded as a straight dry documentary about Chinese economics. It’s annoying to watch these because I KNOW that you could just have the same effect if you wanted to by just telling the story with all the failures China has seen and just ignoring the successes, but I guess the half truths mixed in with lies strategy just must be more effective, especially when you have the capital and influence to put out whole documentaries like that. Lord knows 99.99 percent of North Americans aren’t gonna read about that shit.
That doesn’t surprise me that it’s common on Netflix. I’m going to be even more vigilant now with everything going on in the world.
That technique of mixing half truths in is pretty effective. Our news media enjoys that technique often, if not exclusively.
What I don’t understand with many people that I’ve talked to is that I can show them a blatant lie mixed in with the truths and instead of being like “well I will no longer trust this media source” they instead turn around and make excuses for that lie and then keep using that source. I don’t get it. I’ve always been deeply offended when I’ve been lead to believe a lie by any news source. I’ve totally changed my entire political stance from my twenties (as a hard line economic conservative) all the way to now, being 35 and about as economically left as they come. This has come almost unilaterally from being pissed off at being lied to by media sources and books Ive read and turned onto sources that I can at some level verify they aren’t lying. And it really isn’t that hard if you just cut out every source that lies even a little bit to you.
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What comes around goes around Donnyboy. The next president could do the same to you for treason.
Biden had the chance with the backing of the supreme court and their ruling on "official actions" on top of the already strong legal case, but he didn't because the ruling class sticks together no matter how much they talk about "danger to democracy".
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Bold of you to assume there will be a next president.
No officially sanctioned punishment will ever come his way other than a fine. Edit oops meant to respond to same person as you
People who think you're being flippant absolutely do not understand the gravity of what's happening right now.
And remarks like that are defeatist and useless. The only acceptable comments are that I dare a mother fucker to try to become a dictator and overthrow American democracy
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President Donald Trump ordered the attorney general to pursue the death penalty "for all crimes of a severity demanding its use" in an executive order signed January 20. The order ended the moratorium on federal executions enacted by former President Joe Biden's administration.
Rich fucks are afraid he might go after them if he gets out of jail one day.
Even moreso, I think they're worried this will normalize violence against their class, so they want to make an example of him. One Luigi can be imprisoned or executed; a thousand Luigis is a bigger problem.
Ironic point, given making a martyr of someone is a better way to galvanize supporters. Big reason we... er, people, haven't assassinated Trump.
I like the sound of one thousand Luigis
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For science, here's the fund if you're curious...
Thanks. Donated.
It’s literally for science, considering the opposition.
I’m glad this turned out to be legit. I had wallet out on day one of this campaign.