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[–] [email protected] 35 points 4 days ago (4 children)

I go to pornhub every morning to check out the articles. Lately I've noticed that they have exactly the kind of articles I'm interested in always at the top two rows and then a bunch of stuff I'm not really into elsewhere. They are definitely testing stuff.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 days ago (4 children)

I know nothing, but isn’t some pieces of Google software to be found on many sites that aren’t Google or YouTube?

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[–] [email protected] 166 points 4 days ago (29 children)

So I guess for Firefox users it's time to enable the resist fingerprinting option ? https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/resist-fingerprinting

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It annoys me that this is not on by default...

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

PiHole

AdAway

Burn the ads down.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (9 children)

Sadly, neither will truly protect you from fingerprinting.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

Digital fingerprinting is a method of data collection – one that in the past has been refused by Google itself because it “subverts user choice and is wrong.” But, we all remember that Google removed “Don’t be evil” from its Code of Conduct in 2018. Now, the Silicon Valley tech giant has taken the next step by introducing digital fingerprinting.

Oh, forgot to mention - we're evil now. Ha! Okay, into the chutes.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Good thing I erased Google out of my life a decade ago meaning I can much easier block even more of their everywhere present garbage and not have issues.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Ditching gmail remains one of the best choices I've made in years.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 days ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 50 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Further evidence that a Republican government in the USA results in private organisations pushing the bar as far as they can.

In Reagan's time it was Wall Street. Now it's Silicon Valley.

You want private organisations working for your benefit and not that of their shareholders? You need a government that actually has the gumption to challenge them. The current US government is 4 years of a surrender flag flying on the white house.

Or we could bin off this fucking failed neoliberal experiment, but that's apparently a bit controversial for far too many people

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 days ago (6 children)

You'd THINK the article would link to a source about the fingerprinting in question instead of 90% filler slop and ads for their own service... Anyone got a link?

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Great read from Tuta on thia topic. It's been an issue for a while but Google going full force publicly on it causes this issue to grow greater.

I left a comment replying to someone further down about how this can be at least a little combatted and how it is with browsers. (At least to my minimal knowledge of it)

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I just wish Tuta put more effort into their product than their marketing.

I noped out because of them not letting me have any control over my emails outside of asking them for a dump. But reading the support reddit is just brutal.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago

Do you have a link for those reviews of Tuta email?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago

I personally have never used them. I use Proton myself (despite some news) and haven't had any issues. I've heard Tuta is also great but I think one of the cons of privacy mail is that they're not going to be nearly as polished as the big players like Gmail or outlook.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 days ago (2 children)

And yet the normie still has nothing to hide...

Adult People accepting these material conditions disgust me.

But as society we got what we deserve, get fucked by daddy and asking for seconds because convenience and you can't expect a peasant to have any agency

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[–] [email protected] 74 points 4 days ago (5 children)

Would it be possible for a browser or extension to just provide false metadata in order to subvert this type of fingerprinting?

[–] [email protected] 61 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

So from what I understand, theres 2 common ways that browsers combat this. Someone add to or correct me if I'm wrong.

  1. Browsers such as Mull combat this by looking the same as every other browser. If you all look the same, it's hard to tell you apart. I believe this is why people recommend using default window size when using Tor.

Ex: Everyone wearing black pants and hoodies with the facemasks. Extremely hard to tell who is who.

  1. Browsers such as Brave randomize metadata that fingerprinting collects so that it's more difficult to piece it all together and build a trend/profile on someone.

Ex: look like a dog in one place, a cat in another place. They get data for a dog but that doesn't help build anything if the rest of the data is a cat, hamster, whatever. No way to piece it together to be useful.

In both my examples, there are caveats. Just because everyone dressed the same doesn't mean someone isn't taller or shorter, or skinnier or fatter. There can still be tells to help narrow down. Or a cat that barks like a dog suddenly is more linkable to a dog if that makes sense lol.

In other words it still depends user behavior that can contribute to the effectiveness of these tools.

EDIT: got distracted. To answer your question I don't think so. I think it's more about user behavior blending in or being randomized. I think the only thing an extension would be able to do is possibly randomize the data but I'm unsure of such an extension yet. These aren't the only options, these are just ones I've read about recently. Online behavior, browswr window size, and I'm sure so much more also goes into it. But every little bit helps and is better than nothing.

EDIT2: Added examples for each for clarity.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Mull is discontinued unfortunately, although I think it got forked?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

For mobile, yes, development stopped.

However, Mullvad (from the actual VPN folk) for desktop still exists.

https://mullvad.net/en/browser

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago

Yeah maybe Tor Browser was the better example. Just trying to get the point out lol.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Fennec is similar and is maintained

There is a fork of mull too

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[–] [email protected] 62 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Just in time for their prophet, Curtis Yarvin, to be pushing a full-scale surveillance state!

Googlers aren't on our side. They want to rule. They think being a fucking admin on a server makes them cut out to run society.

They want to tear down democracy and basically replace it with administrator rules and access control lists.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 days ago (5 children)

@misk I think your federation software is broken. In Mastodon, the urls in your posts just lead back to themselves every time, not out to an external article.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago

@mighty_orbot @misk I'm using Friendica. From here, the links are normal. As it's also not Lemmy, I guess it's a Mastodon-specific (or even instance-specific) problem.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I'm not sure if you'll get this reply @mighty_[email protected], but here's the link visible from Lemmy itself: https://tuta.com/blog/digital-fingerprinting-worse-than-cookies.

Your method of accessing this Lemmy community seems not to be working on your side somehow. You might try a different app - I've never used Mastodon so I don't know what might work.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 days ago (2 children)

@OpenStars That was my point. I can open the post on its own server and see it as intended. But the federation part of the Lemmy (?) software is clearly not generating the right data.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago

@mighty_[email protected]

What I mean is, the link in a Lemmy community when viewed from a Lemmy instance works just fine. So it's not broken at that level.

I can't speak to how it comes across to Mastodon, or your particular method of access to that, as you showed in your screenshot. In general, instances running the Mbin software seem to work better to access both Lemmy and Mastodon, but overall communication between Mastodon and Lemmy seems not perfect, as you said.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago

Mbin will now load pictures within the comment?!

[–] [email protected] 42 points 4 days ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It's all Fediverse. You can follow things on lemmy on mastodon and vice versa and so on.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago

I’m aware but the degree of compatibility differs. Lemmy to Mastodon is pretty smooth but subOP is using some different microblogging platform it seems.

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[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 days ago

@[email protected] @[email protected] same thing happens for me, i use sharkey on my instance (misskey fork) and i have to go to that linked post and click the link there to access it

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