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[–] [email protected] 32 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

I went to school in the UK. We had to learn a whole lot shittiness that we did in the past. It's sort of funny because I'm ethnically Chinese and I moved to Canada later on. Whenever something bad that the British did came up, I would always be made fun of.

I moved back to the UK from Canada again at a later date and we were watching a video about more bad stuff the British did as apart of our curriculum and I immediately felt flush with embarrassment. Then I remembered that everyone around me was British too.

I sometimes wonder if the Americans that chastise the Chinese for wiping out history like Tiananmen Square are those that advocate for wiping out Black History Month and wanting to wipe contribution from minorities on their websites right now.

To be clear, I think that Black History Month should just be apart of American history. Like integrated into the curriculum and books and stuff. However, you can't trust Republicans to just wipe it out entirely. They "say" they will and just never get around to doing it properly because Heaven forbid you feel a bit uncomfortable while learning things.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (6 children)

The reverse isn't much better. I'm Dutch, and if you go to Indonesia, outside the cities there will often be people pointing out what awesome things the Dutch built "for them". It's super weird when the people your country exploited and abused start thanking you.

Indonesian person: "Oh, the town well, yeah the Dutch built that for us, but we can't maintain it, so now we walk down to the other well to get water. The Dutch were so nice to us. "

My brain: "Yeah, I can see how that totally makes up for a century and a half of murderously harsh exploitation and killing 200.000 indonesians when you tried to be independant"

My mouth: "Oh, that's... nice?"

Now, I get that everything the Dutch did kinda gets snowed under compared to what the Japanese and the Americans did in the span of a few decades, but I grew up when our history books moved from a half-page "And then there were some police actions in the East Indies, and suddenly there was Indonesia" and towards a somewhat more realistic picture.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 days ago (1 children)

George Washington Carver, IS NOT the man that carved up George Washington...Bart. He is probably one of my most revered entities because I genuinely don't know if he actually expected to find all of the uses he did for peanuts. His genius borders on insanity and I love it. I mean what single other person can say they found food, industrial, and cosmeceutical, uses for a single thing like the peanut? Most the other mass use products I've found had maybe 1 founder that found something interesting,(there is a few standouts including the creator of vaseline-he ate a spoonful a day for health go figure) but George Washington Carver turned peanuts into something that is still the cornerstone of industries(they remove the oil from peanut butter and sell it for industrial uses cuz it's worth so much, which is also why I'm upset at Mr Carver, peanut butter with the oil is delicious, but I digress that's a bit off topic). A quick glance at his Wikipedia indicates he actually did a ton more than peanuts, but the amount of uses he discovered personally has always astounded me. Those who are offended by history are likely trying to recreate a stupid mistake already made by others.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago

[email protected] does its thing. Denying history and access to culture is ugly.

[–] [email protected] 79 points 4 days ago

If you treat minorities (or really, people in general) with respect, then you should have no qualms about learning about how they've been poorly treated in the past.

Sadly, conservatives never treat minorities with respect, and so they don't want to learn about how history judges bigots like them.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 4 days ago (1 children)

nothing triggers fragile white nationalist bumpkins like 1/12th of the year being set aside to recognize black people

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 days ago (3 children)

If you have morality doesn't it kind of suck to hear about century after century of slavery, violence, and exploitation?

Honestly I feel like if any type of history "slaps" then you're probably viewing it through a very narrow lens that omits an immense amount of human suffering. History is depressing as fuck. It can definitely serve a purpose to focus on the cool events and forget about the rest at times, but it's also misleading if that's all you do.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago

Robert Smalls was a really awesome dude. The historical circumstances that determined the course of his life are profoundly tragic.

If you view his life from a cinematic perspective, yeah it slaps. From a historical perspective, he lived and died and the societal conditions which he struggled against remained essentially unchanged. He's a historical footnote.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I think they mean learning about history slaps. History is both interesting and extremely important even when it's depressing.

Encouraging learning about history is something we should continue to do, even if it means using collloquialisms.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

I guess it makes slightly more sense if they meant to say learning about history.

But still, I'm not sure making claims like this is going to reverse the eternal reality of young people not giving a shit about history and only starting to recognize its importance after they have made the same mistakes.

It's like "Math is fun kids!", "history slaps!". While young people just roll their eyes. Just because the slang is slightly updated doesn't actually make the message any more compelling.

I'm not sure why I'm being so negative here, I guess I just feel like the tweet is kinda dumb and virtue signalling and that's setting the tone for my interaction with it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I honestly didn't like history until my mid or late twenties, except for 9th year. I think it was mainly because every other teacher some about it in monotones, if at all and basically just assigned in-class silent reading and a boatload of homework that didn't even cover important things. 9th year instructor some with inflection, asked questions that prompted deep thought and critical thinking.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I'm not sure you speak for all young people or why you're bringing up virtue signalling.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I never claimed to speak for all young people? I have loved learning about history since I was a kid. But most people don't know much about history and don't have any interest in learning. They find it boring. That's just what I've noticed from being alive on this planet.

I bring up virtue signaling because it seems like the entire point of the tweet is for the person to signal that they are a moral and good person. I don't even understand the concept of being "offended by black history". Like what does that even mean and who does it apply to?

She's possibly talking about being offended by Black history month, which I guess is a thing? But in that case I would still disagree because you could be offended by it for the exact opposite reason, like how people are talking about Morgan Freeman not being a fan of it.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I bring up virtue signaling because it seems like the entire point of the tweet is for the person to signal that they are a moral and good person. I don’t even understand the concept of being “offended by black history”. Like what does that even mean and who does it apply to?

I disagree with that entirely. It seems more angry to me and has nothing to do with how moral she is IMO.

She's black and probably is angry that people are offended if you mention the Tulsa race massacre because it's uncomfortable.

The Tulsa race massacre, also known as the Tulsa race riot or the Black Wall Street massacre,[12] was a two-day-long white supremacist terrorist[13][14] massacre[15] that took place between May 31 and June 1, 1921, when mobs of white residents, some of whom had been appointed as deputies and armed by city government officials,[16] attacked black residents and destroyed homes and businesses of the Greenwood District in Tulsa, Oklahoma. The event is considered one of the worst incidents of racial violence in American history.[17][18] The attackers burned and destroyed more than 35 square blocks of the neighborhood—at the time, one of the wealthiest black communities in the United States, colloquially known as "Black Wall Street."[19]

Or that most of the original men who started the US held slaves.

Thirty-four of the 47 men depicted in the famous "Declaration of Independence" painting were slaveholders.

You probably don't think that way, so you don't see it. I'm not going to pretend I know what her intent is either, I'm just guessing as well.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

Not only do I not think that way, but I also can't imagine someone getting offended about people mentioning the Tulsa Race Massacre or the fact that the founding fathers held slaves.

Actual racists aren't going to be offended by those historical facts, they just might argue that they were justifiable in some way. Which is obviously super fucked up, but it's not like racist people are going to deny the fact that slavery happened or that black people got massacred by white people in history. They literally get off on that shit.

Which is why the tweet seems so strange to me. Black people getting enslaved and massacred and persecuted? That slaps? I fucking hope not.

I'm obviously overthinking but it just triggered my nonsense detector.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago (3 children)

I also can’t imagine someone getting offended about people mentioning the Tulsa Race Massacre or the fact that the founding fathers held slaves.

Actual racists aren’t going to be offended by those historical facts, they just might argue that they were justifiable in some way. Which is obviously super fucked up, but it’s not like racist people are going to deny the fact that slavery happened or that black people got massacred by white people in history. They literally get off on that shit.

Many racists definitely do get offended by those facts. It's because they're coming at it from an emotional place, and the historical facts make them feel bad. Instead of dealing with that, they lash out. Not all racists are intentional about their racism.

I link this a lot, but it's worth a read https://theoatmeal.com/comics/believe

Which is why the tweet seems so strange to me. Black people getting enslaved and massacred and persecuted? That slaps? I fucking hope not.

That wasn't the intent of the tweet and that is a bizarre misreading of it.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Which is why the tweet seems so strange to me. Black people getting enslaved and massacred and persecuted? That slaps? I fucking hope not.

That has nothing to do with what we're talking about and not what I or you are saying.

I'm assuming you're not black, right? I think we should ask someone who is before we accuse them of virtue signalling.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago (10 children)

The OP states

[Black history] slaps if you have morality

I just don't understand what that statement is supposed to mean, it doesn't make any sense to me.

I do agree that it would be helpful to have additional black perspectives to weigh in on this discussion. Unfortunately Lemmy doesn't seem to have a lot of racial diversity yet. Hopefully we will get there eventually.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago (2 children)

If you use the word "slaps" you're not talking to the population as a whole, you're talking to specific people. And likely ones who already agree with your point.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Are you saying black people should use white vernacular when advocating for their equality?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Non-slang is not "white", or even American. Drag should understand the difficulty caused when drag invents terminology that needs to be explained to any outgroup who can't be expected to be familiar with words drag has only popularised recently. Doesn't drag think that if anything it's kind of exclusionary against second-language speakers?

[–] [email protected] -2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Drag doesn't believe in slang. All words used to be "slang". It's meaningless.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

What counts as 'black'? Perhaps people from minority groups shouldn't be excluded from regular history, so every group doesn't need its own history month - it's just history.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Until we reach that point, we need to dedicate time to remind society that it is being ignored.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Reminds me when Morgan Freeman said he didn't want a Black History Month, I immediately went like "dude, shut the f*** up".

[–] [email protected] 21 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Surely he was just saying 'All history is our history. Why would you relegate it to a month and label it?' He's allowed to feel aggrieved as it does feel like apportioning it to something lesser, like 'Here,have the short month then shut up about it.'

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago

i'm sure he'll be happy to know that all talk of black history, period, will be gone, as soon as pres elmo gets his way

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago (2 children)

there are two people i lost some respect due to a shitty r/iama: Woody Harrelson and Morgan Freeman

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago

To paraphrase an old saying, “Never get to know your heroes.”

With the exception of Robin Williams. He is, was, and always will be the GOAT.

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