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[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 days ago (20 children)

Do you guys really drink milk? I don't think I've had a glass of milk since I was like 14.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago

Normally in tea and stuff, and with cereal

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[–] [email protected] 63 points 6 days ago (2 children)

There's a reason the milk man used to deliver every day

[–] [email protected] 42 points 5 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 28 points 5 days ago (5 children)

Why do you automatically discount your dad from being banged by the milk man as well?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 days ago

The milkman always comes twice.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

OP definitely has some brain worms. RFK is that you?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 17 points 6 days ago

The only acceptable use for raw milk is cheese. Give me a raw milk camembert any day.

[–] [email protected] 59 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I don't get it. Isnt all milk to be refrigerated?

[–] [email protected] 112 points 6 days ago (12 children)

the post is highlighting the hypocrisy in refrigerating milk while also being against milk pasteurization, since both of those practices have been done for around a hundred years and serve to make milk last longer and be safer to drink.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Just about every dairy product (butter, cheese, whey, buttermilk) was made as a way to keep milk safe for consumption. Rejecting pasteurization, which is just slightly warming up milk is incredibly obtuse and reeks of deliberate ignorance

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago

maybe RFK(wasnt he behind all this nonsense?) is a secret militant vegan who wants to discourage people from drinking animal milk by making it harmful to humans(/s just in case)

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 6 days ago (2 children)

A lot of continental Europeans drink UHT which only needs refrigerating once opened.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 6 days ago (2 children)

UHT is the opposite of raw milk.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 days ago

I meant ULTRA heat-treated.

Beyond pasteurized.

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[–] [email protected] 117 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Tuberculosis has entered the chat.

[–] [email protected] 107 points 6 days ago (7 children)

And Campylobacter, Cryptosporidium, E. coli, Listeria, Brucella, Salmonella.. It's the Macy's parade equivalent of preventable diseases by UHT and y'all been invited!

On the other hand, unrefrigerated raw milk is a fantastic way of meeting who's who of the bacterial world.

[–] [email protected] 70 points 6 days ago

For some people it's the only culture they'll ever have.

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[–] [email protected] 78 points 6 days ago (3 children)

I think there is confusion between raw milk, pasteurized milk and UHT milk. Only UHT milk doesn't need to be refrigerated but it tastes horrible.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 days ago

There is decent UHT milk but it's by no means the majority of the market.

[–] [email protected] 89 points 6 days ago

Only UHT milk doesn't need to be refrigerated…

While it’s still sealed. Once opened, it needs to be refrigerated.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I’m that weird guy who prefers the cooked taste of UHT pasteurized milk.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago

If I want that cooked flavor I open a can of evaporated (not condensed which has a lot of added sugar) milk. It's yummy in coffee and any cooking/baking use.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Another weird UHT enjoyer here. If it weren't so expensive where I'm at then I'd be having it more often

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago

I hope it at least pleases you to know that in places where UHT milk is the norm, pasteurised milk is more expensive and sometimes simply not available. (I somewhat prefer that flavour)

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Doesn't raw milk have an even shorter shelf life?

[–] [email protected] 48 points 6 days ago (1 children)

in a way, no, because raw milk is already unsafe to drink by the time it's packaged

[–] [email protected] 23 points 6 days ago (1 children)

+1 for this: I have very personal experience with an E.Coli outbreak in a small town in southern Utah in 2017. Although the infections did not come from raw milk directly, the infections were traced to the area where the milk was packaged - and albeit anecdotally, there were several related deaths over the years that I was aware of, that were never reported due to the...uh...unique religious background of the place.

so yeah, I mean...don't let your children play in manure but also...don't drink milk that you sanitize less than you sanitize your hands.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Actually the science on this shows that kids who grow up close to manure have lower incidence of allergies and other autoimmune problems.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

before i knee-jerk react to this, i need to know:

  • source? give me a link at minimum, preferably a scientific journal since you're citing "the science" - much else isn't gonna make the cut here.

  • if this is the case, why did i and my peers have crippling allergies for the entirety of my childhood? we spent tons of time around manure, thousands of hours literally walking in it. we still couldn't breathe outdoors without getting allergy symptoms.

edit: also, what does alleged lower incidence of allergies and "other autoimmune issues" have to do with the relation between playing around manure or drinking raw milk, and getting E.Coli infections/dying? those two are quite closely correlated, the "science" also shows that.

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[–] [email protected] 66 points 6 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Depends on how you look at it. Raw milk spoils at the same pace as [Edit: ultra-]pasteurized milk. Only for raw milk the counter starts ticking once the milk leaves the cow, whereas [Edit: ultra-]pasteurized milk remains sterile until you open the package.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Pasteurised doesn't equal sterilised. Not sure ofcourse where you live since apparently that matters for this term since some places used pasteurised for what is double pasteurization and thermized for single pasteurization.

I know the pasteurised milk I buy will spoil in a matter of days, even if unopened. The only milk that will stay good unopened for months us UHT.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago

Thanks for the heads-up. I just checked the German Wikipedia article. Apparently there are several ‘levels’ of pasteurization ranging from 70°C through 150°C. Since I’ve only encountered the kill-all-that-has-ever-lived kind (UHT), I assumed that’s what everyone does.

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