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[–] [email protected] 75 points 2 months ago (5 children)

I've heard there's a practical green solution to carbon capture. The units are practically maintenance free and power themselves with solar energy. This allows to deploy them on many small patches of land. The captured carbon is stored in solid organic compounds that may be used as building materials. It may sound to sci-fi to be true, but it's actually just trees.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago (6 children)

Agree, carbon capture process is quite efficient now. I'm working on (pretty big) company doing Carbon Capture and Sequestration. The idea is to use empty oil&gaz reservoir to inject back carbon where it comes from. So there are several advantage:

  • The land is already messed up by former drilling platerform. No need to shave another forest to create a facility
  • No waste to handle, as the captured carbon is injected in the underground. We also study the possibility to inject other kind of waste, like domestic ones.
  • Simplified process as we can keep Co2 in gaz state to inject back in former natural gaz reservoir. Not even needed to extract carbon to solodify it.
  • Yes, trees are much more efficient and eco-friendly, but sometime we cannot just plant billions of trees. Whereas a CCS facility is relatively small compared to a whole forest.
[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago (7 children)

That seems like a disaster waiting to (re) happen, what's your thoughts on that?

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Density of CO2 produced vs what trees capture is massively unequal. Yes trees can, but not on any tangible scale that would ever keep up with what we are doing to the planet.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yes, the most that carbon capture can do is temporarily slow down climate change. It turns out the only way you can stop getting carbon from outside the carbon cycle into the carbon cycle is to stop taking carbon from outside the carbon cycle and putting it into the carbon cycle.

But the problem with oil is that it's really good, and it does a lot of stuff really well

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Not to mention the area needed, for the amount of trees needed. Trees also decompose, so the storage function is different, but people are quick to assume.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Ok, but how about we do more than trees? Why are you on the internet when pre-linguistic grunting works just fine?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (5 children)

If you can find a more efficient, less expensive way to physically sequester carbon from the atmosphere than letting forests grow, I'm sure there's a lot of awards you could win

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Carbon capture is problematic. If I remember the area required to reduce C02 would be the size of Georgia and the air intake would be pulling in hurricane force winds. The numbers could be off but it would be a massive project that would require to be built by probably CO2 dumping infrastructure like factories.

Personally I'd say it would be better to colonize the Pacific Ocean so algae goes in deep ocean to be a carbon sink

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago

I've heard that's why the carbon capture is best done directly out of the machinery that creates the carbon dioxide.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

What is the name of the contraption on the left? Looks like a perperpetual motion machine but I'd like to learn more about it.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago

It's sometimes called an overbalanced wheel, an early perpetual motion device. The idea is that there's more weights on the right side than the left side, so the wheel will turn clockwise. The weights are on rods that fall to the right as the wheel turns, so there's always going to be more weights on the right. So the wheel turns forever. Free power woohoo!

The reality is that the balls on the left are further away from the axle. Futher from the axle = greater torque. Surprise surprise it all cancels out and the wheel eventually comes to rest.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 months ago

The problem isn't a missing technology. it's our political and economic system.

I'm all for advancing tech but nothing is going to work until we fix our behavior. We use fossil fuels because they're profitable and allow or growth-at-all-cost economy. There's nothing for which they're the only option. Only a few things for which they're the best option; the power grid and transit aren't on that list.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Just wait until they figure out how much carbon is captured by planting a tree.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (5 children)

Until the tree dies and rots or burns

Specifically replanting all the forests we cut down during the age of sail is just capturing the carbon that was released when those sailing ships rotted

If we wanted to keep the carbon captured which we captured with plants, we would have to store those plants where they are safe from rot or burn them in a (not yet invented) carbon capturing furnace

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

What is this tree technology you speak of

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

AI will develop a reaction to turn atmospheric CO2 into electricity and oxygen and then we’ll have nothing to worry about in our future except for the constant threat of combustion.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

We have such technology already, it's just too expensive

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Yes but no. The two actual uses of carbon capture is to remove the co2 from the air before it would happen naturally and the other is making fuel sustainable for retro or novelty vehicles. You dont have to stop selling gas cars if all the fuel they use is made with carbon capture. This makes the fuel more expensive but more sustainable. Once you have driven a 911 or skyline you will understand why someone would want to drive a gas car ;) Also, technically you are going from a higher energy fuel to lower energy so as long as you can do something with the co2 it abides by thermodynamics but the problems arise when you consider real world losses.

TLDR: carbon capture is a technology we should use after we stopped polluting to fix the earth.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

Specifically it's not trying to be an over unity machine. Energy is spent pushing air through the filter medium; energy is spent moving the filter to the CO2 extractor; energy is spent heating the filter (or whatever the extraction system is); energy is spent compressing or freezing CO2 for storage

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago

TLDR: carbon capture is a technology we should use after we stopped polluting to fix the earth.

Yeah, it would just give people a blank check to use more fossil fuels. It is kinda like a diabetic person who acquired the disease later in life, and still not adjusting their lifestyle because drugs mitigate the effects anyhow. And the person will keep eating unhealthy food or not exercising.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Pointless. The gas should be used for things that actually need it like airlines.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

Trains go choo choo. But yeah that as well. On long haul flights that cant be avoided that is an excellent use for carbon capture fuel.

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