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[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago

the picture on the right isn't demonstrating an engine. They simply use renewable energy to power the fans that suck in the air.

Doesn't change the fact that industrial carbon capture is a scam, and most of that captured CO2 is later released back into the environment to help extract oil from old wells.

https://www.aogr.com/magazine/sneak-peek-preview/carbon-capture-boosting-oil-recovery

[–] [email protected] 23 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

This is wrong, or perhaps I misundertand.

Entropy is a different concept from economic viability.

The rule of non-decreasing entropy applies to closed systems.

A carbon capture system running on solar energy on Earth (note: wind energy is converted solar energy) is not a closed system from the Earth perspective - its energy arrives from outside. It can decrease entropy on Earth. Whether it's economically viable - totally different issue.

...and I don't think the Sun gets any worse from us capturing some rays.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago

Its that using an extra step in the process (producing energy + CO2, then using energy to remove CO2) is going to increase entropy more than not producing CO2 in the first place.

Economic viability is separate and sometimes related to things like this.

Its irrelevant to the economy (in the short term at least) whether a process is efficient in terms of energy or resources. What is relevant is whether or not something can be done for either small sums of money, or sold for profits. More likely both in a capitalist style economy.

Note that it does happen in some cases that using less energy/resources is more profitable, but the driving force, again in a capitalist style economy, is the profit.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 days ago

Also, I don't think entropy has anything to do with carbon in the atmosphere. I thought it had to do with the size of the energy packets.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Yeah, it's different. I think the machine on the left is an infinite energy machine. Those will never work.

The machine on the right is a carbon capture machine which does work. But not well enough. Are fast enough to solve any of the problems that we have.

I'm fine with playing around with a carbon capture machine and seeing if we can improve it, but I would never want to rely solely on it.

I want to try a thousand solutions to the global warming problem. Including societal and government changes. Cuz you know otherwise we all die.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 days ago

I mean, we already have carbon sequestration machines that are even self replicating, and require minimal, if any maitenance....

Trees and algae.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Most pollution comes from shipping, agriculture, and other large industries. Poor countries/people cannot contribute because they are barely getting by as is. Even if the entire middle class in wealthy countries magically switched to electric/public/bicycling, started recycling, stopped watering grass, etc. it would make no noticeable difference.

The idea that social changes at individual level can help with pollution comes directly from propaganda pushed by cunts who are actually killing our planet for profit. Fuck them. Don't spread their lies.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago

I don't. When I say social change I'm more talking about like social thinking that individuals are the problem. Sorry if that was not clear.

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