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[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 days ago (5 children)

Where in the world is Valentine’s Day a holiday?

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

February 14th is my birthday so of course I hate Valentine's Day, I can't hang out with my friends 'cause they're hanging with their girlfriends, and if I'm in a relationship I have to go buy flowers and stuff the day of my birthday instead of just chilling and playing videogames which I honestly prefer. And don't get me started on people assuming I like everything heart shaped and stuff...

If these two events were a separate thing I'd probably be OK with Valentine's Day TBH.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Made up CORPORATE holiday, just like Sweetest Day. We don't even get it off!

You don't need a day to tell that special someone how you feel, just do it!

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 days ago

Don't complain if you get a day off

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 days ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Well, they probably largely aren't. American companies push our culture everywhere to encourage consumerist spending. Our media is systematically complicit with this. Aside from the obvious like commercials and product placement, our media also glorifies acquisition as both goal and reward. Not sure how to solve a problem? Buy a solution. Just "solved" a problem with consumption? Better reward yourself with a little treat (and some more consumption.)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago

Its not just commercial and product placements

People are copying the culture and language(using english words in the same sentence as romanian words)

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago

What do you mean, it's right there in the wild.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I like Arbor Day, nobody can agree what day it is, but everyone likes the idea of picking a day in spring to plant a few trees

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[–] [email protected] 130 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Naturally occurring holidays like the equinoxes and solstices?

[–] [email protected] 24 points 6 days ago (1 children)

equinoxes

There's a holiday for horses???

Count me in!

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 days ago (2 children)

No no - equinoxes

Those little furry things they have in the desert.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago

I actually like these ones the best. My family used to have cool solstice gatherings with some friends. There was always a lemon poppyseed cake, and lots of candles.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 week ago (5 children)

And in temperate climates, the first day of spring and Harvest feasts, marked in different cultures in different natural ways.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago

Get out of here with your science!

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago

On the other hand Lupercalia has a long standing history. Sacrifice a goat. (just getting some snaks together for the party). Run a race, good fun and competition. Consensual spanking with goat skin whips, good clean fun.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

Kinda a false equivalency, no? There's a lot more history and tradition steeped in something like Christmas/Yule than Valentine's Day, unless you're suggesting we should call it a feast day in honor of the St Valentine or w/e.

You can celebrate some holidays in a traditional, non-commercialized manner. There's not really a way to celebrate Valentine's Day without consumerism.

Edit: As many are trying to point out, yes you can show your love to your SO without consumerism. You should be doing it everyday. If anyone has any ideas on how to go above and beyond to demonstrate your commitment to a person without going out/giving a gift/dressing especially fancy, I'm all ears.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

Don't be so cynical, and the value you put on tradition is an entirely personal thing. Valentines day has been celebrated for hundreds of years as well so it's by definition a tradition.

We spread out days throughout the year to put emphasis on the people who are dear to us, ofcourse we should show them every single day, but it's not a bad thing to highlight a day of the year.

And since you've decided it's only about consumerism, let me give you a few ways to go above and beyond for you partner without having to resort to consumerism:

  • Learning a skill related to your SO
  • Revisiting a place or activity you enjoyed together, maybe throw in a well prepared picnic
  • Growing your own flowers in advance
  • Cooking a meal which is difficult and high effort to make

The amount of value placed in a day like today depends on relationship, but saying it's only about consumerism is such a big cop-out.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Valentines day has a quiet a bit of history too though.

Some people believe that Valentine's day only came to be because of lupercalia, witch was a festival.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Look, if people wanna start sacrificing goats again and doing feasts, I'm all in. Hell yea, sounds great. The problems I have with Valentine's Day are with the commercialization of love, which is how it's been celebrated for hundreds of years. If you wanna celebrate in a non-traditional way, I've no real beef with you, because you're not really celebrating the problematic parts.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Oh I don't really celebrate Valentine's Day, I was just pointing out it has quite a bit of history. Though having a big feast in the middle of February sounds kinda fun I might start doing that.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 6 days ago

Some other user mentioned going with their SO to a potluck with friends as their celebration, and that sounds like such a better way to celebrate than all our overcommercialized bullshit. I think our ancestors were right, big February feast is the way forward.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Me and my partner are going to a potluck with friends because our love should be shared with people we hold dear but that’s just us I guess.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 week ago

Hey, that's a cool way to celebrate, and technically the most traditional. It's not the way people typically refer to Valentines Day, but I hope you can keep that tradition going.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

At some point in history it was known as feast of Saint Valentines, so pot luck is probably a pretty solid way to celebrate.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Edit: As many are trying to point out,

Just to be clear, by “many” you mean two. Two people replied to you… now it’s three.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I disagree with your last sentence, but not the rest of the comment. Plenty of ways to celebrate your SO without spending. It's easier to celebrate without consumerism than Christmas or New Years for that matter.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I would argue that you should be celebrating your SO daily, so for most of my relationships the only way to go beyond and make a day special is to involve gifts/going out.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Couldn’t you make the same argument for any holiday?

You can’t celebrate Christmas without gifts because you should be spending all your time with your family so getting together and spending time together doesn’t count.

Seems like you’re just redrawing the lines to protect your argument, all holidays can be celebrated in a fairly noncommercial way because the theme of them is basically “spend time together”.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I don't know about you, but Yule is typically when I spend time with my extended family, who I do not see every day. We all bring a meal to a communal potluck, and spend time hanging out and catching up on how people have been doing for the past year. Probably the most consumerist part is that we put the same movie on the center TV every year to have in the background.

So no, I'd argue you can't make the same argument for a lot of holidays.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

we put the same movie on the center TV every year to have in the background.

Is it The Big Lebowski? If I had a big extended family I'd totally put that on.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Nah, it's A Christmas Story because we're a bunch of Indiana yokels, and the grandparents like how it reminds them of their childhood. I've always wanted to do like a Lord of the Rings marathon, but I don't host so not my choice.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago

Fair enough then :)

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I can think of quite a few ways to show love w my S.O. without consumerism.

Also, I don't see any false equivalence, just because it's been around longer doesn't make Christmass any less made up.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

There's a clear difference between the traditions behind Christmas/Yule and the purely capitalism-driven Valentine's Day sales event.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The basic point was that all holidays are made up. To suggest that xmass is less of a cash grab consumer fest than valentine's day is insane.

You dont see valentine's day advertised in January, around here xmass starts the day after Halloween.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

There's a clear difference between the longstanding traditions behind Christmas/Yule and the capitalism-driven Valentine's Day sales event. And we all know it.

Yes, like jolly old Santa Claus dressed up in his red and white suit as popularized by... Coca Cola in the ‘30s. You’re right, Christmas is totally different than Valentine’s Day.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Wanna know how I know you didn't read that? Because it doesn't disagree with me. Coca Cola popularized the modern depiction of Santa Claus.

One might therefore fairly grant Coca-Cola some credit for cementing the modern image of Santa Claus in the public consciousness, as in an era before the advent of television, before color motion pictures became common, and before the widespread use of color in newspapers, Coca-Cola's magazine advertisements, billboards, and point-of-sale store displays were for many Americans their primary exposure to the modern Santa Claus image. But at best what Coca-Cola popularized was an image they borrowed, not one they created.

Notice how I didn't say they created it, nor did I say they invented it? I said they popularized it.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

It was celebrated for hundreds (or even thousands) of years before coke existed. Valentines day wasn't.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Tell you what, how about you go google “The Feast of St. Valentine” and then we’ll pick this conversation back up. Sound good?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Hey, sounds good. Firstly I'd like to say there's no real need to be so snarky. Even if we disagree, we should be able to have an engaging chat online without being rude. I don't think anything I said was rude in that way, and if it seemed so I apologize. I'm easygoing, but if you want to convince people of your perspective, they might not always want to listen to what you have to say if you treat them like idiots.

Secondly, I did Google it. And according to that, around 500AD Valentines day was originally established to honor the Saint, and then over the middle ages evolved into a more general celebration of romance. So, I'll give it to you that it wasn't just recently invented by Hallmark.

However, I still maintain that I was correct. Obviously Christmas is now a nightmare of capitalism too, but a Christmas/Yule/Saturnalia/whatever celebration is both older, more steeped in real tradition, and has more meaning than the modern concept of Valentines, which is literally just about selling cards and flowers and jewelry. But I guess that's subjective.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Secondly, I did Google it. And according to that, around 500AD Valentines day was originally established to honor the Saint

Yes. So your claim that Christmas has been "celebrated for hundreds (or even thousands) of years before coke existed. Valentine's Day wasn’t." is incorrect. We're done here.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 6 days ago

OK, deal. You were more right and I was more nice, and it seems like that matches what we both wanted, so let's take it as a win

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

To be fair, I find all of them equally stupid. Only ones I like are those that give a free day at work, and only for that reason.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago

In the civilised world, it's not called a holiday unless you get a day off work

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Heh yea same, I don't really care if it's Leif Erikson Day or Give Mr. Krabs All Your Money Day, I just need to know if it's a day off or not LMAO

Though some are fun, like Valentine's Day often serves as a perfect excuse to have a date night with my SO (though we often tend to actually do it a couple days after or before to avoid everyone else doing Valentine's Day date nights lolol (unless there's a good deal ofc))

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

(unless there’s a good deal ofc)

There is not. Handing out discounts on one of the biggest consumersim-fueled dates in the year is just not maximizing profit and hence not fit for capitalistic environment.

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