If this post doesn't get deleted, I'm gone. This just shows again that lemmy.world is filled with transphobes and that the mods endorse them. I will look for an instance that doesn't federate with them.
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seeing alot of transphobia in the comments, light and probably accidental but yes deadnaming caitlyn is transphobia even if she fucking sucks.
it shows the trans people here that your acceptance is conditional on us agreeing with you.
you can call her out for her bs without deadnaming her
Oh noes, the target of the insult is insulted in a way the target would not approve. It's like the insult is meant to inflict abuse on the target. Logic circuits breaking down. What will society do?
Insult Caitlin Jenner about everything else she's a horrible person about. She killed a person, she supports a fascist, she's an adultular, a narcissist, was on the Kardashians, seriously take your pick. I could talk trash about Caitlin Jenner for a long time without ever bringing up her transition. I don't need to be transphobic to "inflict abuse".
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transphobia
Well I mean, all of the trans communities are on an instance with downvotes disabled for a reason. This place is 'left wing' when it comes to Trump but when it comes to LGBTQ+ issues, feminism or even discussion about religion, I have my doubts about how 'left wing' people here really are.
The reply to her tweet is on point, though. Any more deadnaming is just deadnaming.
Anyway, I would gladly provide her with HRT and send her to a labor camp as an enemy of the people.
A great litmus test for transphobia is what pronouns people use for Christine Chandler.
I think liberals gleefully devising litmus tests is what elected Trump in the first place.
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is conditional on us agreeing with you.
Not exactly. If anything it's conditional on you not selling your allies/kin down the river.
would you call Candace Owens the n word? bigotry is about you, not the person you subject it to.
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Except that by misgendering her you're causing harm to the trans community as a whole. We don't misgender cisgender people when they are bad people. Misgendering transgender people who do bad things only shows that respecting transgender identity is conditional and can be revoked by other people. It's not. It's who we are. Even if someone is a trash fire human being they still should be gendered correctly.
Transphobes will read comments misgendering or deadnaming Caitlyn and cheer along. There are far, far better ways to vocalize disapproval of her. Ways that don't hurt other trans people.
We don’t misgender cisgender people when they are bad people.
We don't? I could have sworn cisgender people do that to insult each other all the time. It's like a classic insult.
Discussing acceptable insults, while technically possible, seems somewhat irrational. The concept of an ethical insult doesn't make total sense.
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I appreciate your point. A few months ago I was in a discussion with someone on Lemmy about the strategy of maliciously complying with someone that has insincerely stated a preference for neo-pronouns. The example in the discussion was Elon Musk claiming "prosecute/Fauci" as pronouns, but insincere pronouns aren't necessarily so easily spotted. (My position was and is that it's okay to maliciously comply with someone's professed pronouns to demonstrate that person's insincerity)
If you're not tired of tutoring ignorant allies I'd really appreciate your opinion on that dilemma.
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I'm not disagreeing on morality of misgendering. I'm disagreeing that the misgendering is conditional on agreement.
I don't want to sound mean with this I'm sure you mean the best but this isn't a debate
Deadnaming and/or misgendering someone purposefully is transphobia and doing it because they're a bad person is still transphobia
As a trans person I'm saying that if you are transphobic to someone even if they're bad is conditional acceptance whether you mean it that way or not
People were deadnaming her in the comments, that's transphobia not an opinion
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