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submitted 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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edit: [email protected] found it after I forgot to save the link: https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/unable-to-install-updates-unless-battery-is/99bb073a-948e-4ccf-b14f-46e192fac457

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago

I said this before on another thread, but the only time sfc /scannow actually did something was when I had a machine with a drive that had a few bad blocks.

And of course it didn't actually fix anything because a system DLL was corrupt so DISM couldn't even repair the system, meaning the only solution was to reinstall windows.

[–] [email protected] 54 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The microsoft forums are the one place that could be fully automatized. You post a problem about anything, really anything. Can't change wallpaper? Can't login? Screen flashing? Files disappearing? Constant loud pitched noise? It's all the same. The answer, whatever your issue, is sfc /scannow, "Restoration point" and "Reinstall".

And arguably, that last step will most likely make the issue go away, at the price of not having a fucking clue as to what was wrong, losing a lot of time afterward, and having a fair chance of re-doing the same things, causing the issue to show up again. Great stuff.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I mean the guy’s name is literally Mac DePriest, so either MacOS or Temple OS.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

recruiting post

[–] [email protected] 74 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Ask about a specific error code on a windows forum: unhelpful boilerplate nonsense.

Ask about the vaguest symptoms of a recurring problem on a linux forum: a neckbeard wizard will show up and have you type 30 cryptic commands in your terminal and everything will be fixed.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Does it solve whatever Windows problem they were having?

No? Then it is not helpful.

It is like asking for help to fix a hole in your pants, and someone replies with "just buy a skirt".

I've replied to someone having a problem with Linux to just install Windows. It is the exact same useless vibe.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Are they still experiencing whatever problem they were having?

No? Then it is a solution. Not the solution, and not a possible solution for everyone, but it is a solution.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

So what you are saying is that if someone has a problem with Linux, replying with "just install Windows" is a valid fix?

You "fixed" the issue by giving them 10 more problems.

Are you also giving them alternatives to all the software they use daily that isn't compatible with Linux?

What if they have hardware that is incompatible? Like Nvidea and certain printers?

You are essentially telling them to rip out everything and start anew. Which just isn't feasible or even necessary when they just have one problem.

So no, you did not fix anything.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Did you completely miss the part where I said "Not the solution, and not a possible solution for everyone, but it is a solution"? I don't know what you think the usual troubleshooting process is, but it doesn't start with "uninstall Windows". Obviously the user was sufficiently intelligent to consider the advantages and disadvantages of switching, and based on that information, chose a course of action that they thought was correct, and it ended up being the solution to their issue.

I don't know how else I can spell it out for you. Computer users are not dumbasses. They have agency over their own actions.

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Well it is more like your ceiling is leaking from the apartment above and your landlord ain't doing shit. Installing Linux would be like moving out to another apartment or home. Even if it doesn't fix the leak the problem is now gone for you.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Ok, but what if the problem was that you didn't like the door color and you weren't allowed to paint it because of your landlord.

Are you still going to move your entire life to a different location?

Most problems on the Microsoft forums aren't going to explode their computers.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago

It has to be something that is nearly fully outside your control but is affecting you, there are probably milder problems as examples but I think this apt.

In the metaphor, half of the answers are asking you to do a useless workaround, blame you and/or are irrelevant to solving the problem. Hence the leak, where the answers are telling you to try running your taps for 10 minutes, put a bucket under the leak, telling you that there is no leak and that's actually a water fountain, etc.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Just think, an extra long shirt can cover that hole, and we could embed a flexible display, wifi module, and a camera in the extra space. This could scan the faces of those around you, and display personalized ads! This is an excellent solution to the hole in your pants, and frankly, the only secure one.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

Please don't install a camera in my hole.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 week ago

Saw one earlier today where the "community support" person opened with "please make sure you have applied all Windows updates". Given that it was a web page issue and I was on my phone I didn't mark this reply as helpful.

[–] [email protected] 96 points 1 week ago (7 children)

The Microsoft support forums are on a whole level of their own, when it comes to being useless.

sfc /scannow and the troubleshooting button in the settings do fuck all, and compared to the usual systemd journal, the event log rarely gives you any useful information whatsoever

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

It's at the level where, after spending hours there, I feel like it has to be a conspiracy to waste your time. Because there is no way there could organically be that many posts about a topic without there being any useful or correct information.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago

DISM /Online /Cleanup-Image /RestoreHealth and pray it fixes everything before you reinstall.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 week ago (1 children)

sfc /scannow does fix certain problems, just not nearly as many as the Microsoft support forum would like.

I do agree with you on the log, although that's often because whichever component is misbehaving just doesn't believe in error logs. I'm looking at you, Nvidia.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago

Are you trying to say that error 43 isn’t the only thing you’d ever need to know about it?

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 week ago

sfc /scannow and the troubleshooting button in the settings do fuck all

Hey, that's not true! sfc takes forever to run, so it's a good way to waste time and get even more frustrated.

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Semi-relevant xkcd, but replace the last sentence with "Oh, he just wiped Windows and installed Ubuntu? Uh, cool, that works too."

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[–] [email protected] 80 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

You know, last time I've reached the MS forum, there was a support person there answering "No, there's no way to disable the Teams pop-up that appears over your shared screen when you mute the microphone. Lots of people ask the same question, and the developers have no plans of changing this".

The answer was complete, helpful, and completely out of the normal for the forum. The only thing more out of character would be if Teams actually had an option to make it work as any sane person would expect, but then, this is not on the forum people.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Seems suspicious. There probably is such an option hidden somewhere. Because whenever you get a clear answer there, it's invariably wrong.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Well, if you find it, please tell :)

It's a clear Microsoft paradox: is the support person right, or did Teams do something reasonable?

[–] [email protected] 143 points 1 week ago

I saw a great one yesterday.

Question: Help, I can't boot, here's the error code. I'm stuck in a loop and can't get into windows.

Answer: Open Microsoft explorer, navigate to....

[–] [email protected] 185 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Found the post on the forums. The screenshot omits the comment from Craig who said "I ended up wiping windows and installing Ubuntu instead".

I found this reply helpful too, and so should you.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Hehe.

Thank you, I've updated the post body.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)

need to see the source lmao

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 week ago (1 children)

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/unable-to-install-updates-unless-battery-is/99bb073a-948e-4ccf-b14f-46e192fac457

Please updoot another commenter who sent it first instead. And, also, take a long look at the issue as it's hilarious too. Just like theirs, my laptop would try to update every reboot and cancel it seeing less than 40% battery because the battery is, well, long dead and the laptop is plugged into a wall socket all the time. Once a safeguard against idiots it grew idiotic itself.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago

omg that's hilarious, truly a windows moment

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