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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Fun fact, the vatican classifies capybaras as fish

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

What about a bell pepper and an aubergine?

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (3 children)
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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I wonder if in other romance languages is the same, in Spanish and Catalan the two definitions are distinguished by being masculine or feminine. Fruto/fruit being masculine is the botanical fruit and fruta/fruita is the culinary fruit.

How is it in other romance languages?

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toy_Biz,_Inc._v._United_States

Also the X-men aren't human. Kinda makes the court system feel like the baddies tho

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Is there even a botanical definition of vegetables?

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Being smug over the meanings of words that aren't ever actually used in a consistent way is even more American.

Um actually, Strawberries are not a berry, it's a Gameboy, not a Nintendo, and I lick toads. Can you go to the bathroom?

The only thing similar that I have experienced in Europe is the protected food name law, e.g. Champagne and Parmesan, but that's an EU cultural protectionism law that the US doesn't actually follow.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geographical_indications_and_traditional_specialities_in_the_European_Union

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (5 children)

I don't see much difference between the Parmesan case and Apple sueing against a vaguely similiar looking logo.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (9 children)

No worries, "being smug over the meanings of words that aren't ever actually used in a consistent way" is done over here in Europe as well. People have the exact same conversations you list as examples. I would even go so far and say that this is true for the whole world and throughout time, a human condition. I would also think that it really isn't about the words/language, but rather about having control over the conversation and power over others.

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[–] [email protected] 58 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Fruit the botanical term and fruit the culinary term are just not the same word. Similarly to how theory means something different in science and in colloquial speech. That's just how language works.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 day ago (3 children)

More people ought to learn about the programming language concept of namespaces. Generalize from that and you realize that every domain of discourse has its own namespace of words that have different meanings from those same words outside the domain.

My favourite is math which has loads of wonderfully generic-sounding terms such as rational, irrational, radical, real, imaginary, complex, group, ring, field, category, set, operator, element, and unit which all have radically different meanings from the everyday senses of those words.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yes, but then where would we be without all those endless squabbles about X which are easily solved by pointing out that A::X != B::X?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

We’d all be sitting on the back porch, enjoying an ice cold ginger beer at the end of long summer day!

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[–] [email protected] 112 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Okay, but the ruling is totally sensible inasmuch as it applies to "purposes of tariffs, imports and customs". Tomatoes by and large aren't being imported for their botanical value; they're being used for food. This ruling exists so corporations can't "um ackshually" their way out of paying their fair share.

But that's too sensible; in reality, this unanimous ruling that I never bothered to spend five seconds researching independently (I am very intellectually superior) was just "le Americans uneducated ecksdee".

(And before you point it out: yes, an "um ackshually" definition of vegetables includes fruits, although this is using a culinary one. So indeed, the original post can't even pedant right.)

Edit: to totally gild the lily, imagine your country adds a tax to crab meat because overfishing for a luxury good is destroying the Earth's oceans. Someone sells Alaskan king crab, and they go to the courts demanding their taxes back because "um, ackshually, crabs are infraorder Brachyura, but king crabs are nested cladistically inside the hermit crab superfamily". You would hope the court would tell them to get lost, because for the environmental impact and culinary uses that the bill is targeting, it's a crab.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 day ago (2 children)

'Fruit de la mere' is obviously just some attempted tax dodge.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Assuming you were aiming for the French phrase for 'seafood', I think you meant 'fruit de mer.'

'Fruit de la mère' would translate to, 'fruit of the mother.'

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[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Botanically, sure, but from a culinary perspective they're used like a vegetable.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

As they say, intelligence is knowing tomato is a fruit, wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.

(That's the saying, but IMO it's wisdom to know and intelligence to not do it, maybe I'm mixing things up).

@Ilovethebomb has the answer IMO: knowledge and wisdom.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Knowledge and wisdom is the one I've heard before.

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 day ago (5 children)

I don't think vegetable is a botanical term. So fruit and vegetable aren't really mutually exclusive.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah I mean, mushrooms get lumped into the vegetable category most of the time and they're a fungus!

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 day ago

and we usually eat the fruiting body!

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 day ago

That's just science as applied by engineers.

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