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[+] [email protected] -16 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The Marxists, safely behind a wall, convinced the Undecideds to give the gun to the Fascists.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago (19 children)

When you definitely understand marxism

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[+] [email protected] -17 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Meme-maker probably didn’t vote.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 months ago

Yeah, Kamala lost because of that one vote. It's all op's fault.

[–] [email protected] 74 points 3 months ago (6 children)

“Do you know why people don’t like liberals? Because they lose. If liberals are so fucking smart, how come they lose so god damn always?” - Will MacAvoy, Newsroom

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 months ago (8 children)

What's a liberal according to Lemmy? Economically liberal and socially liberal? Social democrat? Obama or Bernie?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago

Yes.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

If you see anti-liberal sentiment that means "capitalism" which means "western world power" because some parts of Lemmy is overrun with CCP trolls and bots.

The actual definition of Liberal is meaningless here, but worth noting it means "advocate of equality and personal rights and freedoms".

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

The root of the word liberal is liber which means to make free. Classical liberalism is about making people free. To liberate.

Neoliberalism to the contrary is a far right ideology brought to mainstream politics in the US by Ronald Reagan and in the UK by Margaret Thatcher. Neoliberalism differs greatly from classical liberalism because its about freeing capital not people. Neoliberalism was embraced by the most right wing elements of the democratic party in the early 90's by Bill Clinton and many others like Nancy Pelocy who restructured the party to reflect the new demand to serve capital over people.

This new desire to serve capital like the republicans who came before them was a challenge the the breadbasket the Republicans relied heavily upon. Needing to differentiate themselves the republicans created a new ideology of neoconservativism. This was led by republicans like Newt Gingrich.The republicans still needed to serve capital but also needed to differentiate themselves further from the democrat embracement of neoliberalism. This is the birth of the right moving ever right courting the never ending supply of batshit crazy.

As the right moved ever right the democrats stayed lock step behind them moving ever to the right. This was the demise of our democracy and led us directly into the fascism we face today.

While classical liberalism and neoliberalism share the root word liber, they are very different in their end goal and overall ideology. This is an important distinction that should not be ignored, overlooked or forgotten.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago (4 children)

So I guess OP means neo-liberal rather than liberal in general.
Is it correct to say that neo-liberal is economically liberal but not socially liberal?
I see American conservatives tend to also use "liberal" to qualify their opponents, but in this case it seems to attack the social liberal specifically (typically about gender, sexuality and origin).
Overall, this single term seems to have a different meaning depending on the political section so it's hard to understand on such an out of context statement, I wish people would use more precise periphrases.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Anyone who supports capitalism.

Here's a reasonably quick read, 300 pages, going over what major liberal philosophers believed and how they managed various contradictions of liberalism.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I'm just curious. How long would you consider a reasonably quick read expressed in hours?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Depends on how quickly you have to read. It's not a very dense book because like half of it is restating history and context you can just skim by if you're already familiar with the time period, and it uses very accessible language.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yeah that's why I'm curious. I read at about 350WPM so what I consider a fast read may be slow for some.

It also depends on the density of the text. I've been struggling through Imperialism by Lenin for like a month.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Sorry, I literally don't have an answer, I have never timed how long it takes to read something. All I can say is how quick it feels to read something.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (19 children)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bourgeoisie

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 3 months ago (2 children)

And then blame the Party for not providing more attractive choices.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Our choices were Fascism or Corporatism. Why wouldn't we blame the parties?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I blame the Democratic party as much as anybody else for not being progressive enough, but nobody can blame a party for their own decision not to vote.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Are you one of the people who consider voting third party to be tantamount to not voting?

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[+] [email protected] -13 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Lemmy.world is such a weird place, man. I also like how in the propaganda version, LW is like this crazy liberal place where you will get banned for saying what based on this comment and voting is clearly the majority view.

So this story actually happened, in 1932 Germany. No one had the gun at the beginning. The liberal said to the Marxist, “Holy shit that guy is really dangerous, let’s stop him.” The Marxist said “FUCK YOU YOU’RE REALLY DANGEROUS” and started swinging his fists in every direction. The liberal was still trying to talk with the establishment conservative, to gang up on the fascist, while the Marxist was still windmilling to no particular purpose, when the fascist got the gun. The first one he shot, of course, was the Marxist. The anarchist stood in the corner, facing away from the room, and said that turning around would be giving consent to what was going on, and so he refused to do it.

The Marxist, wounded, left the room, what was left of him, and found the communist room. When he got there, the communists shot him, and killed him.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_Germany and search for “KPD leaders purged by Stalin”

[–] [email protected] -4 points 3 months ago

The poster isn't from world, but yeah theres a constant external pressure from tankies. Its even worse on instances that didnt defederate from Hexbear.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

The liberal said to the Marxist, “Holy shit that guy is really dangerous, let’s stop him.”

The liberal in question had spent the last decade handing military equipment to the freikorps to massacre communists before staffing the cabinet with fascists and making Hitler chancellor.

[+] [email protected] -12 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The liberal in question had spent the last decade handing military equipment to the brownshirts to massacre communists

Citation?

They also hadn't been massacring, that I know of, it was street fighting, almost all non-fatal. You can show me if I'm wrong, though, that's just my impression.

before staffing the cabinet with fascists

and making Hitler chancellor

Incorrect. The conservatives did both of those things. The liberals had gotten castrated by the refusal of the KDP to work with them in any respect, and so they couldn't really do anything against either the KDP or the fascists, and so the left went down as did the liberals as did the rest of the establishment, without any unified front against the fascists. But the liberals had tried very explicitly to ally with the KDP against the fascists, and the KDP refused, calling the social democrats "the main enemy."

I am sure there is some portion of blame to go to the SDP as well. Pointing fingers after a catastrophe is a time-honored tradition and maybe not a useful one. My point was that in the one real-world example of this that I know of, the Marxists absolutely refused to form a coalition against the fascists, if it meant they would have to work with the liberals, and the fascists were able to win amongst all the leftist infighting. So the particular brand of finger-pointing that exists in OP's meme definitely has a real-world counterexample.

I actually don't think there is a strong enough left in the US for this to be a useful model of what just happened in the recent election here. But it wasn't for lack of trying, by the portion of the supposed far-left that is on Lemmy.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 months ago (1 children)

citation

https://annas-archive.org/md5/c483c46aa433ad04d44312e860111d6f

It references descriptions from 1919 where the bodies overwhelmed the city's capacity to store them, and were rotting in the streets, and egbert's use of the freikorps and other right-wing paramilitaries to kill communists (including Rosa)

There was also a massacre of sailors with one survivor I can't seem to find any reference to.

The conservatives did both of those things

Egbert is the one who nominated Hindenburg, who made the actual handover.

the liberals had tried very explicitly to ally with the KDP against the fascists

They held a rally calling for unity, in which they called for everyone to vote for Hindenburg in the name of unity. That is not an attempt at unity, that is an attempt to make themselves seem like reasonable moderates.

Naturally the KDP ran on the slogan "A vote for Hindenburg is a vote for Hitler is a vote for war"

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

Most people on LW that are from the US do not know what liberals are. They are often referring to "US libs" which, in most cases, say and do things that are anti-liberal or anti-libertarian. While this is apparent to most, to these Lemmings it is not due to the saturation of US media, social or otherwise.

In truth, a liberal supporting a fascist is as "classic lib move" as the anarchist fighting for an absolute monarchy. By definition, these things are impossible. So the joke is being told wrong due to being misinformed or to spread more of it.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (6 children)

I'm saving this one. Too on the nose.

"Christo-fascists are coming!"

They're already here.

"They're rounding up brown people and LGBT will be next!"

Been saying concentration camps and trains are inbound for years now.

"Give up your guns!"

Perhaps liberals should take a WWII history class?

"But they'll kill you if you defend yourself!"

Yes, that often happens when fighting fascists.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 months ago

People don't consider that there are worse things than going out in a gun battle. Much much worse.

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[–] [email protected] 124 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Reminds me of a joke on a Bright Eyes song.

"There's a Communist and an Anarchist in a car who's driving? The cop."

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Oooh. What song? The only thing I have in my list from Bright Eyes is At The Very Bottom of Everything.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I have no idea. I just remember it in the intro of a song. Sorry to tease you lol.

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[+] [email protected] -12 points 3 months ago

See, the problem is that a Marxist and an anarchist stuck around a liberal and a fascist. Not only that, they spent all that time doing nothing, even though there was a gun in the room and two bullets. Looks to me like the Marxist and the anarchist were kinda dumb.

[–] [email protected] 94 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It's not a joke if it's true

[+] [email protected] -12 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Wow that's deep

[–] [email protected] 27 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I mean its also what happened.

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