A reminder that anyone can drop rocks in a road or path. These take time to remove, and if they just push them aside, they can be put in the road again.
this post was submitted on 29 Jan 2025
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this was to fight real fascism not just the people you don't like.
It's scary how many signs there are in this current administration. And they're not even hiding it.
Did you not see Musk do a fucking Sieg Heil on live TV last week and go on tour to shake hands with his fellow NeoNazis in Germany??
Have you missed the part where Trump said he fully planned on being a dictator? How about the 900-page manual where his lackeys described in detail how to do it?
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Refusing to give a Machiavellian narcissist attention generally works best BEFORE they rise to global power, sweetie.
You should join your comrades in the Russian infantry and enjoy the NATO tungsten.
Which is exactly why it's relevant today.
Fascists don't magically stop being fascists just because you happen to hate the same people they do.
they do if you delude the meaning of what a Fascists is. in that way we can all be Fascists because it does not mean anything anymore. and who do you think that helps. that's what happens when you play with the meaning of words they become meaningless.
Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power.
What do you think "fascism" means?
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That is not what I asked. You're saying it's being used incorrectly, which means you have a definition in mind which isn't being met. What is that definition?
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The Encyclopaedia Britannica definition?
"Although fascist parties and movements differed significantly from one another, they had many characteristics in common, including extreme militaristic nationalism, contempt for electoral democracy and political and cultural liberalism, a belief in natural social hierarchy and the rule of elites, and the desire to create a Volksgemeinschaft (German: "people's community"), in which individual interests would be subordinated to the good of the nation."
Or maybe the Webster's Dictionary definition?
"a populist political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual, that is associated with a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, and that is characterized by severe economic and social regimentation and by forcible suppression of opposition”
Because by those definitions "fascism" is not being used incorrectly.
If you have an alternate definition which supports your claim, you'll need to provide it yourself.
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You said people were using the word wrong. I asked you what the word means. You said it means the definition, so I provided the definition. You still have not provided a meaning that demonstrates that the word is being used incorrectly.
We're not calling people fascists because we don't like them, we don't like them because they fit the definition of a fascist. You have cause and effect reversed.
Again, if you would like to provide a definition for "fascism" that supports your claim, feel free to do so. Until then, the rest of us will continue to refer to the dictionary definition, and call the people who meet that definition "fascists".
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You were called a Nazi because that's a reasonable response to someone claiming that fascists aren't really fascists. The word is being thrown around a lot lately because fascism itself is popping up a lot lately. That is how it is mostly used.
There are people using the term as a generic "insult to label someone something bad": actual fascists and their supporters for the purpose of, as you said, diluting the term to try to rob it of meaning and turn it into a joke. Their bad faith machinations do not prove that the rest of us aren't using it accurately.
That's why I provided the definition: to demonstrate that, yes, when we say "fascism" we are in fact using the term correctly because the definition aligns with the philosophy and actions we are witnessing. You still have yet to provide an alternative definition which is inconsistent with the way we are presently using the term.
I wasn't the one that called you a Nazi, but you have to admit that claiming the behaviors and ideology consistent with fascism aren't really fascism is precisely the sort of thing a closeted Nazi would do.
Right, but in the case of the current US and the current administration, the term is accurate.
Fascism is a far-right (check) political ideology characterized by authoritarianism (check), extreme nationalism (check), and the suppression of opposition (check), often led by a dictatorial leader (check). It emphasizes the subordination of individual interests to the perceived good of the nation or race (check) and typically involves a centralized autocratic government (check).
you just say that because your not politically aligned with the current administration. you would support all of this if it was your side doing it and you would be a lot more rigid and forgiving in your definition of Fascists for them. for your political opponents a very broad definition of fascism. for the side you Aline with a very narrow rigid definition of fascism to be lot more forgiving. calling people fascists is just a political game that most people eye roll at now. it has lost all its effect its politically meaningless the only thing it does now is show your a lefty or a communist. and people eye roll at that to.
I always think it's so crazy when Republicans say crap like this. Democrats hate our leadership, just not as much as we hate your leadership. We absolutely would not follow any democratic leaders into the dark, we barely follow them in the light.
Sell me on Trump not being a fascist please
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Do you have a definition of fascist you approve of, or would argue for? It's absolutely true that some people throw around words as dismissal but that doesn't mean we just all throw up our hands and say all words are meaningless.
Ultimately, the fight over 'fascism' is a fight to define 'fascism.' Having no definition is not a position to argue from. It's ignorance. Arguing on behalf of ignorance is just noise. Even if no one else shares your definition, decide what it is, then argue for that.
It's really sort of astonishing that every single thing you said here is wrong. And mostly misspelled to boot.
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I clearly and concisely supported my contention that the term "fascist" is appropriate to this administration.
You responded with a string of laughably false ad hominems, painfully transparent paychological projection and a pathetic attempt to just dismiss my argument out of hand. The one thing you did NOT respond with is even the faintest trace of intellectual integrity, so there's no point in trying to pursue thecdebate any further.
Oh and... a thing that people like you seem to generally fail to grasp - you don't really fool anyone. The lurkers can see what you're doing just as clearly as I can.
Spotted the Nazi.
yes of course that is very smurt because doing this makes people take that very seriously. how does it feel to help nazis make that word have no impact anymore.
Okay, we spotted a stupid nazi I guess
Based on nothing, I feel there might be a plot twist in this. Just need him to fire an another General, and a bit of general protestation over civil service jobs….
Huh I wonder why that would be.
I wonder, could it just be a coincidence?