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Lead Lemmy Developer, Dessalines, denying the Tiananmen Square Massacre and praising the Uyghur Genocide (sh.itjust.works)
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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Go to lemmygrad.ml and post about Russia or China. You will read insane ramblings about projections. Somehow the argument is always "look at this bad thing in the west, here is completely misinformed info about your country, look how good Russia/China, skip over genocides you are projecting it is happening in the West, to finish my argument Are You a Nazi?!".

Yougoslavia was created by soviets/russia. His beloved communists. I am super interested in what mind gymnastics he has to excuse that.

He could have gone with Africa or Middle East, much better example of collosal fuck ups of Ze Bad West. But that would require knowledge of history longer than 50 years.

Also crying about Poland. As a guy living in Poland, hearing stories of people that fought in WWII and people that lived in communist Poland, I am so interested in how these first hand accounts are US misinformation.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

I was banned from Lemmygrad for statements that were critical of the authority of the USSR, and writings of their savior Karl M.

I was banned from Lemmy.world for anti-zionism. Most of the Lemmy side of the fediverse seems infested with authoritarianism that's as bad as Reddit's corporatism.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

My bans from lemmy.ml have all come from literally arguing that there are a solid 150 years worth of academic ideas building on Marx and that taking Marxist orthodoxy as the exclusive socialist dogma in that context is simply ignorant.

I am starting to think that they hate revisionist socialists more than actual capitalists, because it seeks to deny them the thing they really want, which is a justification for violence and totalitarianism.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago

I posted this before, but I really believe these instances are run by APTs.

It is not the first nor last time that extremists are being used by state-run aparatus.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago

Okay, yes, this was my exact experience as well. I don't recall where I got banned, but I was simply making the point that we should use the best bits of socialism and merge them with more modern systems.

They did NOT like that. It seems so incredibly reasonable, and mild to suggest stuff like this... Like, these people really are the "snowflakes" the right attests them to be.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Seems unlikely they'd do that, perhaps the angle you took might have triggered them. They tend to know their history and cite well, and get lied about a lot, so they're suspicious of people who might get details wrong and probably take them for trolls.

their savior Karl M

Obviously I can't fairly judge what you wrote but you are at the very least not left wing right?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

As someone who has actually studied political science, they absolutely do not know their history well lmao. They are (shitty) Orthodox Marxists and react quite strongly to being shown anything outside of that 150 year old bubble.

They know a few core historical anecdotes that MLs cling to. But their knowledge breaks down extremely quickly when you try to reduce political science and statecraft to academic first principles, even when those principles intersect strongly with their ML orthodoxy.

They are campists. They form their philosophy around relitigating cold war drama more than anything to do with actual socialism.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Lemmy.world is run by Enlightened Centrists. People who think we should all just get along, and calmly discuss these life-and-death matters, no matter how demonstrably wrong a lie is, or how much bad-faith abuse someone spits.

At this point - any internet community demanding "civility" is a red flag for bad moderation. "Be nice!" means they're not prepared to treat 'stop implying I'm subhuman, asshole' as the justified response to a troll with a rear-mounted boot slot that needs filling. And even then it's a coin-toss. You can spend immense effort restraining and editing responses to complete bullshit, guiding someone by-the-nose through why they're blatantly fucking wrong, while they keep trying to make that personal through chest-beating and snide remarks... and then watch then give up all pretense and spit the worst insults they can imagine over dry criticism of what they choose to say... and see your reports of idiotic directed abuse go absolutely nowhere.

If your rules effectively run interference for bastards, fuck your rules.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Could anyone please add more context? I see some reddit user spewing some bullshit, but how do we know that's Dessalines? Genuine question...

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Thanks. Ugh, I don't want to use lemmy anymore now....

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago

Using their own creation against them is poetic justice though. Nothing stopping anyone from forking the backend either.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This shit is so embarrassing

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I'm having a hard time accepting that lemmygrad and hexbear are practically official Lemmy shit, instead of just these weird parasitic communities that flocked to a more open platform after being banned everywhere else.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

lemmygrad is run by nutomic and dessalines. you're right tho that hexbear is just… a bunch of unsocial weirdos who were asked to leave everywhere else because they were unpleasant to interact with

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

And yet they never seem to want to move to china or russia.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago

"No, I want to ruin my country!"

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

No why would they do that

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Bold of you to assume Lemmygrad isn't already Russian

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Nah, lemmygrad is 100 percent American.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Just a coincidence they spontaneously parrot all of Putin's talking points?

Nah, I'm not saying they're all Russian, but they're clearly compromised somewhere. A lot of somewheres.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

They’re what the Soviet Union referred to as “useful idiots”. They parrot Russian propaganda because they like the aesthetics. They aren’t all Russians themselves. In fact, I would be willing to bet most aren’t.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

Denying? That's outright praise.