Quick quiz for the Trump administration: where are Native Americans from?
this post was submitted on 23 Jan 2025
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Native Americans and Mexicans owned this land before these orange faced racists showed up.
This is unsurprising for the guy who idolizes Andrew Jackson.
I'll take "things that will cripple the economy" for 800.
Years and years and years of Republicans and Conservatives dancing around like confused travolta at the suggestion they are racist bigots. They control all three branches for barely 72 hours and nearly everything they have done has been in support of racism and/or bigotry.
No, some has been to make it easier to pollute or steal!
Well sure NOW, three days later....
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And deport them to ...Oklahoma?
No, to put them in fucking camps
And if we're already here?
I'm really trying to think of a joke but it's just so stupid and infuriating.
we.
were.
here.
first.
Lmao, Trump is trying to make Native Americans foreigners based on a shit interpretation of an 1800's law by one of his fascist MAGA lackies who is likely an illiterate dipshit millionaire yes-man.
What do you mean "try"?
It's always going to be that asshole Stephen Miller:
https://www.splcenter.org/resources/extremist-files/stephen-miller/
Ah yes that little incel piece of trash nazi. He is truly the traitor's Goebbels. Remind me again what the USA used to take pride in doing to nazi filth?
his grandparents are holocaust survivors. You can’t write this shit as any fuction featuring it would be unbelievable.
The exception is supposed to be for agents of a foreign government: diplomats, soldiers, etc. People who are ordered into the US by their government.
People who voluntarily come to the US are subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.
Trump is trying to say that immigrants fall in the same category as enemy combatants. They can be held in the same way as POWs. Returning them to their country of origin isn't "deportation". It's "repatriation".
By "Indians" here they mean Native Americans. O_o
I thought they found native Americans label offensive now?
I have no idea, but I expect it's better than "Indians".
The general idea is that both are labels applied to them by colonizers and most people don't mean either offensively. The best way to refer to them is generally with their tribal name if you know it.
A lot of authors, for example, specifically refer to themselves as such if you have interest in indigenous literature (I really liked Green Grass, Running Water if you want a recommendation)
Of course, everyone is different so you can always just ask.
Definitely agree on the tribal names, however in this case it seems like they want to apply it to the entire population regardless of tribe.
Canada would call them "First Nations" but I don't know if there is an American equivalent.
Pretty sure the documentary I saw and the person they spoke to preferred "Indians" but it's not like 1 tribe speaks for all of them? You probably should do some research before you sound like my grandpa without his hearing aids, yelling about the "orientals" and embarrassing the fuck out of me.
I have heard different people from that group of humans say they prefer one or the other for different reasons. (A friend of mine once said, "I go with Indian because it doesn't matter since either name is just one white people gave us.")
I tend to go with 'indigenous Americans' because 'indigenous' is a word used for such peoples all over the planet and generally is difficult to argue against as an inoffensive and descriptive term.
This is pretty off topic but I've been wondering: how far back in the past do you stop before considering people indigenous? For example, my family immigrated to America from Europe about 200 years ago. Does that mean I'm native to europe? Indians are believed to have come from Russia through Alaska thousands of years ago. Does that mean they're indigenous to Russia? If you go back far enough, we're all from Africa.
"Indigenous" generally means "pre-colonial." As in they didn't forcibly take over the land from someone else as far as we know.
That's a good way to define it, thanks.
I'm just naturally assuming Trump quoting language from the 1800s is going to be offensive to somebody...
A broken clock is correct twice a day. Never let your bias cloud your vision, your judgement, and reality.
a stopped clock might be right twice a day but a broken clock might never be right depending on how broken it is.
Technically you are correct the best kind of correct. I also enjoy how the stopped clock is absolutely correct twice a day while a "working" clock is never absolutely correct.
how broken is the clock though?
We aren't here to argue about quantum clocking. It was still readable before you measured the damage.
“The United States’ connection with the children of illegal aliens and temporary visitors is weaker than its connection with members of Indian tribes. If the latter link is insufficient for birthright citizenship, the former certainly is,” the Trump administration argued.
Everything they are saying about Native Americans is to support their argument against immigrants.
The United States’ connection with the children of illegal aliens and temporary visitors is weak...
I don't accept this. The people who are not "subject to the jurisdiction" are agents of, or in the service of foreign governments. Like diplomats, spies, or soldiers in an invading army. People following the orders of foreign governments. People paid by foreign governments to be in the US. The US connection to the children of these foreign agents is weaker than the US connection to Native American tribes. The children of these agents don't have a claim to citizenship under the 14th amendment.
BUt Private individuals who choose to come to the US are not acting under orders from a foreign government. They come here - legally or illegally - under their own volition. In doing so, they directly subject themselves to US law, which means that their children born in the US fall under the 14th Amendment.
soldiers in an invading army
Trump's language around undocumented has always implied, or outright claimed, it is an invasion. "They're not sending their best," as if their attempts to enter are an intentional act by the government of any country south of the border.
It's likely to justify immediately instituting openly apartheid laws. And the illegitimate Supreme Court will go along with it for this exact purpose.
Exactly.